11: Stasa Gejo, Serbia’s Climbing Star

Stasa is a boulder and lead climber (specializing in boulder) from Serbia who has been competing in international cups since 2011 as a youth climber. Most recently, she took the silver medal in the Laval European Qualifiers. In this episode, we’ll learn about Serbian funding in the sport and OQS, we’ll get a glimpse into what bouldering isolation is like, hear some tales from the commentary booth, and hear her reflect on the 2023 season.



Timestamps

Timestamps of discussion topics

0:00 - Introduction

6:46 - Stasa's early climbing start

16:09 - Growing up in a climbing family

24:45 - How does bouldering isolation work?

33:00 - Trying to calculate your competition

35:25 - Physical and emotion state between quails, semis, and finals

39:55 - Finals mental game

42:15 - Routesetting + height (being a taller competitor)

49:31 - Interest in commentating

54:52 - Embarrassing commentating moments

57:54 - Funding the Serbian climbing team

1:04:07 - Climbing scene in Serbia, climbing resources

1:07:25 - Will comp climbing be less collaborative now that there's money involved

1:10:38 - 2023 season reflection

1:15:19 - Climbers being too starstruck to talk to each other

1:18:50 - Juggling masters degree with competitions

1:22:27 - Currently binge watching...

1:25:30 - Viola/Violin Talk

1:28:21 - How OQS works

1:31:48 - Preparing for OQS

1:35:44 - Discord Q: Do you get negative responses to your on stage emotions?

1:37:48 - Discord Q: Differences between how national teams train?

1:39:16 - Discord Q: What do you like about Munich?

1:43:16 - Discord comment: berating Janja for celebrating before clipping

1:45:06 - Discord Q: Current outdoor projects?

1:48:20 - Where to find Stasa + Outro

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    There was always rumors like that, like, oh, look at these crazy parents.

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    They're trying to live their dreams through their daughter and they're forcing her

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    because my dad was like, please stop climbing with them.

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    Please stop.

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    Rest, rest.

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    Like he's someone very big who, you know, did big things and then

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    Welcome to the season two kickoff of the That's Not Real Climbing podcast.

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    I'm your host Jinni and I'm super excited to introduce my guest for today.

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    Stasa Gejo.

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    This is super special to me because she has been my favorite climber on the circuit.

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    So I'm so happy to have gotten the chance to talk to her in season two.

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    For those who aren't familiar Stasa is a boulder and lead climber, more of a boulderer

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    from Serbia who has been competing in international cups since 2011 as a youth

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    climber.

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    In this episode, we'll learn about Serbian funding in the sport and OQS.

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    We'll get a glimpse into what bouldering isolation is like.

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    Here are some tales from the commentary booth and hear her reflect on the 2023 season.

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    Hope you enjoy this episode with Stasa.

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    All right.

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    Yeah, we can just get right into it then.

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    How are you doing today?

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    Yeah, pretty well.

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    Doing a lot of trainings, going from one to the other session, visiting different gyms.

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    So yeah, it's good.

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    You just moved to a new location recently?

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    Well, I mean, I've been in Munich for the last four years or four years and a few months,

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    but I have checked in a flat here.

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    Oh, okay.

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    Okay.

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    So not too bad.

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    Yeah.

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    Well, it was just the holidays.

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    New Year's is coming up.

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    Do you have any New Year's plans?

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    Actually, tomorrow morning I'm flying to Stockholm where my sister lives.

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    So I'm going to spend New Year's Eve with my sister and her family.

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    Okay.

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    Exciting.

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    Do you do like New Year's resolutions by any chance?

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    I know.

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    Never really.

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    Well, anyways, they're kind of pointless, but I don't know.

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    Maybe I did do them when I was a teenager, but totally not anymore.

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    It's not.

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    If there's a resolution that can come at any point.

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    So yeah, that's true.

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    Yeah.

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    I don't think I have any either.

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    I was wondering if I should make some, because I ask everybody and then they asked me back

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    and I'm like, oh, I don't have any.

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    I didn't think of any.

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    I was wondering if I should though.

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    Do you have like year long goals that you think of?

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    Well, my year, technically it's not like a calendar year.

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    I see it more as the season year, like early related competition season.

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    So like my new year has already begun with the winter training and started like end of

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    November.

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    So I'm already in 2024.

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    I think 2020 is basically some paper.

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    So yeah, like after the season ends and when the new one begins, you kind of see what you

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    want to get better at, which new skills do you want to learn?

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    I don't know.

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    I wish they go back to handstands a little bit.

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    So maybe that's something I'd like to get a little bit better at besides all the climbing

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    stuff.

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    But yeah, it's like you set yourself some goals.

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    Obviously my main goal is to qualify for Olympics and then there's like some other goals on the

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    way there.

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    So yeah, so I look at it a bit differently, but yeah, new rules, revolutions.

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    I don't know.

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    My whole life is at this point in time revolving purely around climbing.

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    So it's all basically related to that.

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    And handstands, I guess.

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    Yeah, that will help me get my shoulders a bit stronger.

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    Also related to climbing their foot.

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    Yeah.

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    No, actually, I recently watched a video that inspired me to want to do handstands, but I

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    have never been able to do one.

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    So I don't think that's going to pan out.

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    Me neither.

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    Oh, me neither.

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    I've never been able to do a full one.

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    No.

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    Oh, come on.

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    I mean, what I do is I just throw myself up against the wall and then I try to balance

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    it.

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    I feel like I'm doing everything wrong.

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    Firstly, I'm so uncoordinated upside down, like I know where my legs are, where my head

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    And then that comes the balance as well.

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    So yeah, there was a point in time where I was doing my bachelor's and where I did handstands

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    and the break between study and a couple of hours maybe.

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    And then I would just do a few handstands and then continue studying.

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    And I came to a point where I could lift off the door or the wall for 10, 20 seconds, but

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    I haven't really done it since, so now I'm back at it again.

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    I feel like my shoulders need to be stronger.

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    I'm back at it again, I feel like my shoulders need a lot of stability.

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    So that's one of the things to improve it, I guess.

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    Yeah, maybe I should try it out.

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    And then I've seen those videos where they do, I guess, like a cartwheel on the boulder.

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    Oh, those show up this year.

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    Oh, I really hope that never comes to the world.

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    I mean, I can do cartwheels.

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    Also, an interesting thing that I've realized is that my whole life, I've been doing cartwheels

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    on one side only.

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    So right hand first, then left hand.

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    Then I realized, oh, I don't think I've ever tried the other side.

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    And then I tried it and it was horrible.

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    It was like, you know, children trying to learn it for the first time and horribly wrong.

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    So then I've practiced that.

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    It's still a bit clumsy, but I can do it now on the other side too.

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    It's just weird.

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    It's like so unnatural.

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    Yeah, definitely.

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    I mean, pretty impressive, I think.

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    I have never managed to either.

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    So good for you.

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    Good for you.

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    Do cartwheels first and then handstand.

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    I think it's easier.

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    Yeah, I think that's true.

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    I, you know, my shoulders, I can't take it right now.

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    Maybe later.

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    You can only get that.

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    All right, so we can get right into it.

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    First, do you want to just give a brief overview of your climbing career, I guess, and like

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    how you started climbing, when you started competing, all that good stuff?

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    I'd say I started competing when I was, how old was I?

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    Like seven years old, perhaps.

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    I usually take it like approximately the age of like the year 2004.

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    Because this is the first time I went to an international competition.

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    It was in Bulgaria in Velikotrnov.

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    But I was, yeah, six or seven years old.

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    So it wasn't very successful nor serious, I'd say.

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    But this is around the time where I pretty regularly did like these kids national comps

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    and tried like, I competed as much as I could.

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    Also, because my parents couldn't always get like my grandma, one or the other one to babysit

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    when they took their club and the other members to competitions.

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    So at a certain point where I could also technically climb or do something there, then they'd take

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    me just with them.

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    So I was very, let's say an angry little person who was the youngest in the category and was

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    angry because she couldn't win.

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    Yeah, so I was basically super competitive from the very beginning, like, oh, I want to win.

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    But you're like half the size of everyone else.

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    I was like, I don't care.

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    I want to win.

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    What's the older, the older end of that range for the youngest category?

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    It depends.

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    Like it really depended on competition to competition.

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    But sometimes it's like eight years old and younger.

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    That was usual.

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    And then, I don't know, they probably didn't let kids that are younger than five years old

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    compete, obviously, but I think there was one count where I was two years younger than

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    the weather.

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    But yeah, so that went on and I got better and better, started eventually winning, satisfying

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    my well, competitive needs that having given bigger balls, I climbed a lot outdoors because

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    we have a family house in the country.

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    It's called the Alashnitsa.

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    It's close to the city of Nizh, where I was born.

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    So yeah, I spent basically, I think, once or twice a week rock climbing.

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    I think that really improved my technique because kind of rock forces you to find solutions

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    technically.

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    Most of the time when it's like slab or vertical.

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    So I think that played a big role in my climbing development and developing my own style.

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    And at the age of 12, I think it was 12, but it should be as long as my memory holds, maybe

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    a rock.

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    But at the age of 12, I was either the youngest female or maybe the youngest ever to do an

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    8b route.

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    So maybe my stats were wrong, but there was something like this.

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    At the time, that was a big thing to do, like an 8b route, Red Point.

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    As a 12 year old person was pretty big deal.

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    Nowadays, kids much higher grades, they do nine A's at that age.

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    It's a different world now.

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    So I shifted from kids' comps to youth competitions, which are way more official.

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    It's under the IFSC.

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    And yeah, I've won quite a lot of medals there.

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    And I basically crowned my junior years with basically winning every competition within

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    two years, except the last world championship where I got seven.

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    But the year before in ARCO 2015, I won the world youth championships there in Bouldering

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    and in combined.

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    So well, yeah, that was the first time I fulfilled one of my really, really big goals to become

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    world champion.

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    And about that time, I started shifting already towards the senior categories, making my first

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    finals, which then led me to now having three world championship bronze medals.

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    And yeah, World Cup medals, all of them brought so far.

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    I was very close to a silver one this year, but I made too many attempts.

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    Which one was that again?

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    Why, Brixton, yeah.

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    Okay, yeah.

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    Yeah, I was just going to quickly take my stats out because I'm just a bit confused

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    if I'm getting my numbers right.

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    I'm not really sure, but let's see.

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    How often do you check those?

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    Not that often, actually.

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    Just when I need some together, okay, three world championship.

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    Is it one?

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    Two?

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    No, two bronze medals.

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    Very confusing world championship.

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    Innsbruck third and then Moscow third.

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    Yeah, okay, that's about it.

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    Yeah, correct.

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    There are two in the championship and then another three in the world.

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    Yeah, I also won the European Championship in Munich in Bouldering in 2017.

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    And this was like the most, I think also the highlight of my career so far because it was

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    a super final, which really, really rarely happens.

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    And it was a funny cop because they couldn't find an organizer that year for the European

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    Championship.

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    So they had to organize it within a world.

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    So the best idea they could come up with, the organizers that you see at the time, was

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    to have the semifinals results define the European Championship.

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    But what happened was that Yana Ganderes and I had the exact same score in semifinals,

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    so we shared the first place and there was no count back because it was two groups.

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    So they were like, okay, we need to crown a champion somehow.

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    How are we going to do it?

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    Well, in this particular case, you have to go with a super final.

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    And I've never been in an actual international level super final before.

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    That happened only once before.

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    So they gave us one of the men's semifinal bowlers.

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    I don't know if they changed it a bit, maybe slightly tweaked it, but in this format, every

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    move counts.

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    So no classic start.

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    There's no like four points.

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    They just told us, well, you can start however you like.

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    And yeah, then every move counts.

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    So one climber goes, one attempt.

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    The other climbers behind the wall.

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    Then the other day, then we switch.

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    I go behind the wall, Yana comes out.

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    And then if Yana climbs lower than me, I win.

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    If Yana climbs higher than me, she wins.

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    But there was a massive jump, already like second move.

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    So we both fell on it, like two rounds in.

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    On the third round, I think, I managed to stick the dyno.

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    And then I did two more moves and a plus.

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    And then it was like, well, either Yana falls on the jump again and I win, or she does the

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    jump and then we see how far she gets.

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    But then she fell on the jump and technically then I won.

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    And before that, I thought when I heard that the system is counting every move, that Yana

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    was already then way, way better at climbing and endurance.

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    At that time, I didn't even continually lead as far as I remember.

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    Not that much at all.

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    So I thought, oh, she's going to get me.

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    Immediately, she has more endurance than me.

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    If this is like by the number of moves, she probably wins.

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    But then yeah, then it was a jump.

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    And that was the play advantage.

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    It was a super intense competition.

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    Yeah.

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    Yeah.

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    I don't think I've actually seen it.

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    I'm assuming it's online somewhere that we could watch.

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    It is online.

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    I think there is like a short review of it, but also some slow-mo's.

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    It's on YouTube.

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    Okay.

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    I'll find it.

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    I'll link it and we can all watch and see the highlight of your career.

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    But going back to you growing up amongst climbing.

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    Yeah, you come from a family of climbers.

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    And I was wondering what it's like growing up in that environment because I think a lot

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    of people who get into climbing just like recently got into climbing.

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    And so they have no idea what it's like growing up in that kind of environment.

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    And I was wondering if you kind of ever felt like you were forced into climbing or competing

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    because I think your parents also did competitions.

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    And I think a lot of people who grow up being forced to do certain activities kind of grow

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    to resent it.

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    So yeah, it was a wonderful experience with that.

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    Well, I'm still not resenting it, I think.

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    So that's a good sign.

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    So my mom competed a lot.

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    She was doing all the national and Balkan championships and she was third, I think,

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    or even the Balkan champion at the time.

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    And so there was like this whole competition vibe and outdoors vibe in my family.

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    My father is an alpinist.

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    He went to the Himalayas, to Andes, to...

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    He was like a mountain guide all over the world.

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    And he also basically founded this climbing club in our town and bolted some roots in

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    this climbing area where I lived in.

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    So yeah, it was a whole basically climbing environment.

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    I was playing with the gear when I was a kid, when I was really, really like a toddler.

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    And then I saw everyone basically as a child, you copy what everyone else is doing.

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    Everyone's climbing.

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    I want to climb.

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    And then I convinced them to put a top rope for me, or rather convinced them to just tie

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    me up.

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    What did I know what the top rope was back then?

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    And then if it were too hard for me, then I would cry because, oh, I cannot climb or

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    I'm scared of the height or the classic toddler tantrums.

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    But yeah, as I was getting more and more into it, I had phases where I didn't want to climb

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    at all.

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    I would just play around and not be bothered.

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    And there were periods where I really wanted to reach the top as many times as I could.

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    But as how it developed to me getting into actual competition climbing was more that

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    we started traveling.

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    And we went to Slovenia, often to Bulgaria, also to Austria, where I had a chance to compete

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    with kids my age.

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    And I was making really, really good progress, like year by year, season by season.

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    We went on training camps all over Europe, or Balkans also.

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    And I was improving and then I slowly started getting to the podium and getting really psyched

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    to train.

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    And so we saw that, I mean, rather my parents saw that I have quite a potential.

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    So they said it would be a pity to waste it.

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    So we basically put everything into designing and traveling and going to competitions and

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    basically for them also to develop in their coaching, as well as me developing in my climbing

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    and training as well.

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    If I was forced to climb, yeah, on occasions, probably, sure.

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    But it's just because I was a child with no discipline, no sense of discipline and planning.

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    What does a 10 year old know or a 12 year old know?

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    How often they need to train and what they need to do.

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    So these things are normal.

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    It wasn't tortured really far away from that.

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    It was just like, well, yeah, today we're going to go outdoor climbing.

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    But no, I don't want to.

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    Well we're going.

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    So pack yourself and go.

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    This is how I learned the discipline.

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    And because there were no other coaches, well, my mom and dad had to do it to teach me how

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    this training process works.

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    And yeah, if your parents are your coaches, there is this continuum and not a clear line

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    between coaches and parents.

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    It intertwines a lot.

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    So this part, the private part gets a little bit more difficult to handle at times.

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    But when there is no one else to show you that, what are you going to do?

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    This is what you have and this is the activity you've chosen you like and you enjoy doing.

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    So yeah, sure, sometimes it's going to be hard, but it's not the end of the world.

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    I wasn't living my parents' expectations or whatever.

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    There was always rumors like that, like, oh, look at these crazy parents.

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    They're trying to live their dreams through their daughter and they're forcing her.

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    Like really, I hated when people made those comments because it's like the easiest thing

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    to say.

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    Poor thing.

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    I mean, come on.

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    Okay, debunking that myth right here.

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    Yeah.

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    I mean, sometimes like, yeah, sure, on a few occasions you're going to make your child cry

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    or that child is not going to want to go to training.

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    But also nowadays, sometimes I don't want to go training.

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    I'm like, oh, everything hurts.

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    I just want to stay at home.

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    But then I have to kick myself and then go.

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    And I still do that to myself.

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    You know, someone's got to do it.

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    And if you want to be successful and if you want to improve, that's sometimes, yeah, this

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    comfort that you have to deal with, which I think is absolutely natural and normal.

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    So yeah.

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    I think by climbing up upbringing and well, general upbringing was great.

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    And I think my parents did a really great job in teaching me what matters, how to be

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    disciplined, how to work smartly and too hard, not over training.

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    I think I learned everything.

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    Right.

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    Good to know.

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    Good to know that you weren't forced into anything you didn't want to do.

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    Yeah, I think that makes sense because even if your parents force you to do something,

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    you also personally have to enjoy it and put in the work to actually get good enough at

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    it.

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    There were things I was forced to do that I didn't like doing and I still never ended

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    up getting good at it because I didn't like it.

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    So yeah, that's a pity.

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    It's sad to see when someone's forced into something, you know, and you can see that

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    it's not so tortured.

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    But these things happen and sometimes for parents, it's also hard to know which is the

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    sport for their child.

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    You know, their parents that send their child from one sport to the other, they try five

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    different sports within a year and then they end up not liking anything.

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    But you have to try to guide them somehow and then maybe you make a mistake and that's

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    not it.

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    But in my case, of course, I liked a lot of other sports.

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    I wanted to play football and I did play it in school a lot, but it didn't go with climbing.

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    It was a priority then we decided once we started really sacrificing a lot and giving

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    everything in for the competitions.

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    And then suddenly I start getting really good in football and people want to get me in their

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    clubs and whatever to play, I don't know what leagues, teenager leagues.

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    And then my dad just, nope, no football.

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    She needs to go to the competitions.

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    She'll get injured.

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    They'll break her legs.

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    I'm not allowing it.

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    So yeah, the school league was the maximum I got to in football.

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    Yeah, makes sense.

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    And I think people just kind of, people want to like make up that story because it makes

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    it, it makes things more interesting.

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    You know, it makes it a bit more like, oh, there's like a tough upbringing there.

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    It would be interesting.

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    Yeah, no, no.

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    It's the right way to go.

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    Let's go into your World Cup experience.

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    Another thing that viewers don't know a lot about, people always want to know what's

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    going on behind the scenes in isolation and just what's going on in your mind as you're

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    competing.

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    And I think Matt Groom also really wants to know what goes on behind the scenes in isolation.

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    So this is something he wanted me to discuss, I think.

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    So what is it like in isolation?

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    What do you do?

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    What do other athletes do?

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    In isolation you spend, well, between two hours and then I guess the upper limit doesn't

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    exist but technically some people stay in for about four hours sometimes or longer if

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    they're more competitors.

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    But it all comes down to the ranking and the starting list.

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    So if your ranking is good in ball drink, you start within the first.

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    So and the people without the ranking are then randomly sorted in the bottom half.

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    And then yeah, someone has to start last and therefore we have this isolation, which some

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    people are starting to be more and more against it.

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    And there were some changes trying to be made to include Flash also into ball drink like

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    it's in lead where we don't have ISO in lead.

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    We watch each other, we have the demonstrations and then the start list is randomized.

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    But I'm also amongst those old school people who really like the isolation and I don't

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    want to give it up.

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    And I mean, there are quite a few people who still share this old school sort of opinion,

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    but there have been more and more suggestions to try to switch to the Flash format and it's

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    already been done on the European cups and the youth cups.

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    But it brings a lot of other organizational problems and also excludes this problem solving

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    this which is quite crucial in ball drink.

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    It's like in lead it is not as pronounced as it is in ball drink.

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    Sometimes that's the main trick to solve a ball drink.

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    So although yeah, it is just a qualifying round, but anyways, let me not bother you

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    with this topic.

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    But yeah, isolation is basically a space where you have no information about the outside

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    world.

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    So you have no idea who did what, what are the results, what are the boulders?

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    You know nothing.

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    And there you can warm up.

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    There is a warm up wall.

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    Since Corona there are also like these pull up bars or like just bars where we can hang

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    our hang boards to warm up if there's no already provided finger boards.

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    So what happens is for example, my routine is to start stretching, enjoying mobility

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    exercises two hours before the start or like two hours, 10 minutes perhaps.

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    So I do that for around 30 to 40 minutes.

    430

    00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,440

    In between I also start warming up my fingers on the finger board, but this mostly consists

    431

    00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:14,940

    of yoga elements with classic warm up exercises, some elastic band exercises as well.

    432

    00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:22,480

    And then after those 30 to 40 minutes, I start going onto the wall with slow traversing,

    433

    00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,440

    big holds, slow start basically.

    434

    00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:34,000

    And then starting with defining some boulders until you, like basically just as if it were

    435

    00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:41,120

    a training session where you warm up and you start gradually from easy to harder pulls.

    436

    00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:48,760

    And in these like remaining hour and a half, I take usually two rests of like 10 to 15

    437

    00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:55,200

    minutes in between so that I don't get too tired.

    438

    00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:01,600

    And then the rest is just saving your skin and trying to do moves and boulders that include

    439

    00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,840

    as many different elements that could appear in the competition as possible.

    440

    00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:14,720

    So you would try toggle catch, paddle, dinos, high step, balancing, like anything that you

    441

    00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:21,600

    can try that you think is most likely to be on the combat that gives you like a general

    442

    00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,480

    wide range to warm up.

    443

    00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,440

    So this is what we do.

    444

    00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,760

    Sometimes we join like in small groups of different people that do stuff together from

    445

    00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:40,480

    different nations as well, or it's teams separately.

    446

    00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:48,960

    Thankfully in climbing people are still open to like join in or to let you join them.

    447

    00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,220

    So for example, if let's say a Korean hulk coach has a really cool boulder that I want

    448

    00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:58,400

    to try and I don't know all the details and I can ask them, hey, can you please tell me

    449

    00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,480

    how this boulder went or can I join you in on this boulder?

    450

    00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,080

    Can you explain it to me?

    451

    00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:08,840

    And like almost all the time people are very happy to welcome you in their boulder and

    452

    00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,240

    be like, yeah, sure.

    453

    00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,240

    Here's the start.

    454

    00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,960

    You go there and then there.

    455

    00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,340

    We're trying to do this and this and if there's like a liminates or like a specific move you

    456

    00:30:16,340 --> 00:30:18,920

    want to do and they find that too.

    457

    00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,160

    So this is nice like boulder.

    458

    00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,400

    Boulders it looks also like a little session.

    459

    00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:33,960

    But I also heard that it's more pronounced in the men's warmup that they give each other

    460

    00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,560

    such hard boulders that they already start the competition in the ISO.

    461

    00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,040

    And apparently this happens way more often with men and that the coaches try to like

    462

    00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,680

    pull them back.

    463

    00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,920

    And this is also like an old trick of maybe more experienced climbers when the new young

    464

    00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,960

    guns come in like 16, 17 year olds, like the strong ones that they want to show off and

    465

    00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,280

    they just give them like something really hard all the time.

    466

    00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,320

    And like to basically tire them out or to make them, yeah, they make them feel good

    467

    00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,760

    but then they get a bit tired.

    468

    00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,320

    And the strategy.

    469

    00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,760

    Yeah, the more experienced ones don't care so much about the warmup really or how they

    470

    00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,880

    perform on the warmup.

    471

    00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,440

    There's not much ego involved in that.

    472

    00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:26,480

    Oh yeah and females, I think this was done to me once because my dad was like, please

    473

    00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,520

    stop climbing with them.

    474

    00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,520

    Please stop, rest, rest.

    475

    00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,920

    He's like, no, I have to do this another boulder and this boulder and I need to do this jump.

    476

    00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:41,320

    And all that old crew was like, hey Stasja, come over, let us show you another one.

    477

    00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,040

    And of course my performance on the competition itself was horrible.

    478

    00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,080

    Even though I was great in the warmup.

    479

    00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,120

    Have you ever paid it forward and done that to someone?

    480

    00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,120

    No.

    481

    00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,160

    Not that you're willing to admit.

    482

    00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,160

    No, no.

    483

    00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,840

    No, I haven't done that.

    484

    00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:08,080

    But yeah, and then when it's about 15 to, it's like 10 to 15 minutes before your start,

    485

    00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,760

    they usually take you off the isolation zone and you go to the transit zone behind the

    486

    00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,000

    boulder.

    487

    00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:19,640

    So basically around 20 minutes before your start, you should do your last toilet run,

    488

    00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,480

    pack your snacks, sort what you need immediately with you.

    489

    00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:30,320

    Frying shoes, another pair of shoes, liquid chalk, fan, snacks, stuff like this, water,

    490

    00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,360

    other liquids.

    491

    00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,560

    And then I try to sort things out and you get some boxes where you can sort the bags

    492

    00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,380

    and the shoes and everything.

    493

    00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:46,600

    So yeah, you give yourself also a little rest, it was like 20 minutes before the start.

    494

    00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,920

    And then it goes.

    495

    00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,800

    Then behind the wall, yeah, it's two groups in the qualies and semi-finals, it's just

    496

    00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,720

    one group.

    497

    00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,760

    And you have the chairs, it's basically just a chair, maybe a water dispenser and your

    498

    00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,360

    box with your stuff.

    499

    00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,880

    And all the people are basically coming in and returning to the same place.

    500

    00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,320

    So you can see who came back earlier, who's in which boulder, you can try to figure out,

    501

    00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,600

    calculate or see which chair they're on or something like this.

    502

    00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:22,840

    So this is the place where you start getting some information in, but it's just basically

    503

    00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,180

    from behavior.

    504

    00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:31,160

    It's either the crowd cheering and then the moderator will probably say the name of the

    505

    00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,320

    person who's climbing something.

    506

    00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,160

    And then you can figure out, yeah, okay, this boulder is to be done quickly, this one's

    507

    00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,160

    hard.

    508

    00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,800

    You can see the pattern of what's going on when you arrive behind the wall, but that's

    509

    00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,160

    it.

    510

    00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:55,120

    We're not allowed any electronic devices, nothing that can have an internet or Bluetooth

    511

    00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,120

    connection.

    512

    00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,200

    So nothing with a wireless connection.

    513

    00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,800

    So smartwatches, headphones have to be wired.

    514

    00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:07,560

    You need to have this mp3 player without any connections possible.

    515

    00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:15,640

    Yeah, everyone leaves all the electronic devices in like a bag at the entrance of the ISO and

    516

    00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:25,080

    then the coaches or whoever picks it up at the exit, you will exit the isolation conditions.

    517

    00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,260

    Yeah.

    518

    00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:31,380

    And so do you prefer to listen to the crowd noise from ISO or are you one of those people

    519

    00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:36,920

    who wants to just zone out and not know what's going on?

    520

    00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,240

    Depends.

    521

    00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:42,080

    Mostly, mostly it's pretty upsetting, I think.

    522

    00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,160

    I don't like it.

    523

    00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:49,360

    So I like to pump up my volume as much so that I don't hear the moderator.

    524

    00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,520

    Like I can probably hear the crowd, but I don't want to hear the moderator and which

    525

    00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,120

    name.

    526

    00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:59,160

    Sometimes it's easier for me not to know literally anything where I just close my eyes and try

    527

    00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:04,880

    not to see who came back when so that I go without any expectations, without any pressure,

    528

    00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,920

    just blank, just go in and climb.

    529

    00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,360

    Sometimes I like to know what's going on so that I can be better prepared.

    530

    00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,520

    It depends what kind of mood I'm in that day.

    531

    00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:22,400

    If I'm more nervous, I'd like to know less, but if I'm really hyped up and if that crowd

    532

    00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,080

    makes me even more motivated, then I'll probably just listen to each other.

    533

    00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,560

    Okay.

    534

    00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:35,080

    And how do you feel between qualies versus semis versus finals?

    535

    00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,800

    I guess like physically and emotionally.

    536

    00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,840

    That's a very good question because there is a massive difference between the rounds.

    537

    00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:53,620

    So in qualies, in qualies I go a bit more chilled in because I almost always make semifinals.

    538

    00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:56,840

    So I trust my ability.

    539

    00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,600

    It's been only a few occasions that I haven't made semis.

    540

    00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,280

    So I go a little bit more tactical.

    541

    00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:10,960

    If I see it's going too well, I try to do a couple of attempts more so that I'm not

    542

    00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,640

    really first, but that my rank is a little bit lower so I don't have to start last.

    543

    00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,740

    I hate starting last.

    544

    00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:24,160

    So if I see that I'm doing a little bit too well, then I just try to add on more attempts.

    545

    00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,200

    My chances of not winning the round are better.

    546

    00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,080

    It's super satisfying when you win a round.

    547

    00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:36,400

    Don't get me wrong, but then you regret it the next day when the holes are much, much

    548

    00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,240

    dirtier, but sometimes you can't control it.

    549

    00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:44,120

    If you've played too much with this tactics game, you can be out very easily.

    550

    00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:54,280

    So qualies is a little bit more chilled because the boulders are not so brutal usually.

    551

    00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,400

    And then semifinals, it's a fight to death.

    552

    00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,640

    I think semifinals are usually the hardest, physically the hardest round.

    553

    00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,360

    Yeah.

    554

    00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,240

    Because this is where you have to sort the field from 20 to six in bowling.

    555

    00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:13,800

    And it's a very tough thing to do.

    556

    00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:19,280

    And because finals, you'd think finals might be the hardest, but for finals people usually

    557

    00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,360

    don't have much skin left and everyone's tired.

    558

    00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:29,520

    So technically, yeah, it depends of course, come to come.

    559

    00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,600

    But finals is more a show off.

    560

    00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,280

    They want more boulders for TV.

    561

    00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:41,240

    They need at least two ballers top, at least one top by everyone or like almost everyone.

    562

    00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:45,720

    So now this is like TV tactics, which I don't like.

    563

    00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:49,760

    Nobody likes it, but then it makes the finals shorter.

    564

    00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,240

    The audience likes it.

    565

    00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:54,760

    Yeah, the audience likes it and it makes it more based on attempts than actual number

    566

    00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,000

    of tops, usually, like not depends.

    567

    00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:06,240

    But semifinals is the most stressful and the toughest.

    568

    00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,880

    Because it doesn't let you breathe really.

    569

    00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:14,920

    It's four boulders, really tough, really tough boulders with yeah, two parts in each boulder.

    570

    00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,480

    It's like if you do the first part and you get the zone, the top is usually not granted.

    571

    00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,240

    Like you can still mess it up.

    572

    00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:27,400

    So in qualies, you try to save your skin so you have perfect skin for semis.

    573

    00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,120

    And then in semis, you try to give your best so you can make the final because this is

    574

    00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,160

    the hardest part basically.

    575

    00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,640

    And then in finals, there's so many different factors that can play along.

    576

    00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:44,520

    Like it's your style, everyone's a bit more tired.

    577

    00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,920

    This is also like this long-term endurance thing or like power endurance, how long can

    578

    00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,060

    you push.

    579

    00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:55,200

    So the three rounds are completely different from each other.

    580

    00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:01,520

    Also, I think the finals are pretty boring when it comes to the waiting time because

    581

    00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,020

    it's no rotations.

    582

    00:39:03,020 --> 00:39:07,640

    It's four minutes and then you wait until you're next round.

    583

    00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,640

    And then there's also commercial breaks.

    584

    00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:18,740

    So yeah, you wait for 20 minutes plus extra two to 30 minutes between climbers and commercial

    585

    00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:19,740

    breaks and stuff.

    586

    00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:26,160

    Of course, if everyone flashes, it goes faster, but I always found it like really boring and

    587

    00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,200

    like, ah, I need to wait.

    588

    00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:35,760

    And every thought that you have just stands in your head for so long.

    589

    00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,240

    And semifinals and qualifiers is just pump, pump, pump, pump, five minutes in, five out.

    590

    00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:43,560

    The only thing you need to focus on is to recover in the five minutes that you have

    591

    00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,360

    between the both.

    592

    00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,560

    And finals gives you a lot more time to think, which I really don't like.

    593

    00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:52,800

    Oh, I get that.

    594

    00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,760

    Yeah, like the dark thoughts seep in.

    595

    00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,760

    You just go in circles.

    596

    00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,520

    Which requires then a different kind of like mental strength.

    597

    00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,280

    Sometimes I've had finals where I've held my concentration perfectly well.

    598

    00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,680

    And usually at these comps I did really well also in finals.

    599

    00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,360

    But as soon as it goes dark, it's like never a good finals for me.

    600

    00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:25,540

    But yeah, also this amount of rounds and the tiredness makes you more susceptible to these

    601

    00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:28,320

    negative thoughts.

    602

    00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,400

    But I think I've learned a lot of tactics and they work I think better and better when

    603

    00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,680

    I have finals.

    604

    00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,800

    But sometimes sometimes you just don't have the energy for it.

    605

    00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,160

    But yeah, that's part of the game.

    606

    00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,800

    But it's also something that I'd like to work on a little bit more as well.

    607

    00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,880

    To be like, to stay tough until the end.

    608

    00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,940

    In Laval, this is what I did on the last comp.

    609

    00:40:52,940 --> 00:40:57,160

    I feel like I managed to keep it cool even though I was really nervous.

    610

    00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,840

    Maybe the most nervous ever.

    611

    00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:05,400

    But I could keep it cool and stay on track until the end.

    612

    00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:12,140

    Yeah, what kind of mental tactics do you use to stay focused?

    613

    00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:14,060

    It also has a lot to do with music.

    614

    00:41:14,060 --> 00:41:16,120

    With what kind of music?

    615

    00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,560

    Dancing also or just some kind of jumping.

    616

    00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:26,400

    Like staying lightly physically active and kind of pumped up and reminding myself of

    617

    00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:32,560

    my qualities, of my being confident, staying confident.

    618

    00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,640

    Deep breaths usually help me a lot to calm down and not be too pumped but also not too

    619

    00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,440

    nervous.

    620

    00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:49,200

    But usually it is just turning inwards, clearing the head and just breathe.

    621

    00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:56,540

    I would love to see climbers playlists for staying focused in ISO.

    622

    00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:57,540

    You should share that.

    623

    00:41:57,540 --> 00:42:00,800

    That would be so interesting.

    624

    00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:09,440

    It's all like in material MP3 files that we download somehow.

    625

    00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,440

    Well if you ever have time create a Spotify playlist, share it out.

    626

    00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:19,400

    I'm sure people will be very interested to see.

    627

    00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:28,280

    And so when it comes to viewers watching semis and finals, people always talk about setting

    628

    00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,760

    and height a lot.

    629

    00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,680

    And you are one of the taller competitors which I love because I'm technically a little

    630

    00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,520

    bit taller and I feel like everyone I know is super short so it just doesn't work for

    631

    00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,520

    me.

    632

    00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:48,080

    How often does your height come into play for you when it comes to route setting?

    633

    00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,840

    There was a time I think two years ago where it was in my head all the time where I saw

    634

    00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,360

    myself being too tall in every boulder.

    635

    00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:05,560

    But in the last two years since it's become a problem, I've found ways to work it out.

    636

    00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:11,600

    And I've trained a lot the weakness and I need to find a different body position or

    637

    00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:18,800

    I need to make my body work a little bit differently than the others do.

    638

    00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:26,320

    It's mostly difficult if it's really feet in your head, stuff like this.

    639

    00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,920

    Usually in slabs they try to make you put your foot next to your face which for me then

    640

    00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:38,880

    creates a massive lever and then it's hard to get out of certain positions and to try

    641

    00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,160

    to stay in balance or the path that you need to take is way longer.

    642

    00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:51,400

    So it's details but it's something that can be worked on but the problem with it is that

    643

    00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:59,240

    it takes so much longer and then sometimes the adaptability is a bit more difficult.

    644

    00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:07,800

    But now yeah, it's working better and better I must say.

    645

    00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:13,240

    The most disappointing thing is when I see that it's harder for me because I'm taller

    646

    00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:20,080

    and I try to accept it as it is and then I work through it and I just brainstorm and

    647

    00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,520

    see and trial and error, see what works.

    648

    00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,680

    And then someone comes, oh yeah but it's so much harder for you, you're so much taller.

    649

    00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,240

    And then when someone really confirms it in my face, come on, I'm trying to forget about

    650

    00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,240

    it.

    651

    00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,120

    Don't give me that attitude.

    652

    00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,640

    I know, right?

    653

    00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:44,200

    So when you hear it that often, it gets in your head but I haven't had this experience

    654

    00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:53,120

    as much in the last couple of months or like the second part of the season.

    655

    00:44:53,120 --> 00:45:00,840

    So it's better and I think also the root setters are probably a bit more aware of it since

    656

    00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,320

    it was talked about a little bit more and I've raised this issue a couple of times.

    657

    00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:12,600

    So when testing, all sorts of heights are trying to do a boulder and then they see if

    658

    00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,640

    it's possible or not.

    659

    00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,940

    But it's always going to be some things will be easier for taller and harder for shorter

    660

    00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:21,160

    and vice versa.

    661

    00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:28,600

    It's inevitable but now the idea is to make it really possible and as fair as possible

    662

    00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,720

    for everyone, for every body type.

    663

    00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,440

    I think it's quite okay.

    664

    00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:40,280

    Yeah, do you think there's one that's like being taller or shorter that's more of an

    665

    00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,120

    advantage or disadvantage?

    666

    00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:47,880

    Because a lot of comments, it's very easy to tell when being too short is difficult

    667

    00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,080

    because they just like can't reach it or it's like they have to jump a lot further.

    668

    00:45:53,080 --> 00:46:00,040

    And so that's what all the comments kind of start to get geared towards.

    669

    00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,800

    And yeah, is there more of a disadvantage being shorter?

    670

    00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,240

    Nowadays, I don't think so anymore.

    671

    00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:17,120

    Also being jumpy is something you can train and while making yourself smaller is something

    672

    00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,600

    that you can train a little bit.

    673

    00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:26,640

    I would say it's impossible but it's way more difficult because there's often a lot of stress

    674

    00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:33,480

    in the back, in the lower back when you're basically trying to deadlift all the time,

    675

    00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:34,480

    I think.

    676

    00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,560

    But also with shoulders sometimes.

    677

    00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:43,400

    But yeah, that it requires you to be way more mobile and way stronger in your end points

    678

    00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,640

    of the range of motion.

    679

    00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,280

    But maybe it's a personal thing.

    680

    00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:53,360

    I felt like training jumping was way easier for me than training mobility.

    681

    00:46:53,360 --> 00:47:01,800

    So naturally, short climbers need to have this leg power that they can jump off the

    682

    00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:07,580

    ground and basically be able to do dinos.

    683

    00:47:07,580 --> 00:47:13,880

    So this is the show of leg training that climbers like to avoid.

    684

    00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:23,000

    So I feel like maybe it's a cultural, climbing cultural excuse to not train legs and then

    685

    00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,000

    the relative was short but we can't reach.

    686

    00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,120

    But yeah, there are certainly a lot of moves where they're way easier for me where I have

    687

    00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:40,880

    to jump minimally to reach them, where someone needs to do a full power output.

    688

    00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:47,480

    But as I said, there was a time I think two years ago or even last year where shorter

    689

    00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,000

    climbers had a massive advantage.

    690

    00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,820

    And also bouldering used to be a thing for taller people.

    691

    00:47:55,820 --> 00:47:59,560

    So if you were short, you had nothing to do in bouldering, the lead was your discipline.

    692

    00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:08,880

    And this was a thing back, yeah, 2012 till 2000, maybe 18.

    693

    00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,600

    So everyone was just really tall and they were always bouldering, big moves, jumps.

    694

    00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,840

    Let's just see as far as we can go.

    695

    00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,680

    But in female category, the last two to three years, they were a lot of good but very, very

    696

    00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:22,680

    short climbers.

    697

    00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,120

    Like the best climbers are just really short now.

    698

    00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,080

    Everyone's around one meter 60.

    699

    00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,480

    And it's pretty insane to me.

    700

    00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,700

    I just can't believe this is happening, but it's like a massive shift happened.

    701

    00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:41,320

    And now everyone's suddenly much shorter, like on average.

    702

    00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:47,720

    So of course then the setting kind of adapted, putting us taller people on a little bit of

    703

    00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:48,720

    a downside.

    704

    00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,760

    But I think this season it was way more balanced out because people got aware of it.

    705

    00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,480

    So I think now it's quite okay.

    706

    00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,480

    Interesting.

    707

    00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,240

    So you could feel the difference as the years passed.

    708

    00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,800

    Yeah, there were years.

    709

    00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:03,800

    Maybe I improved.

    710

    00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:12,800

    I don't know, but there were less situations where I couldn't move because something was

    711

    00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,920

    too close.

    712

    00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,800

    Please excuse this brief intermission, but I would just like to remind you that if you

    713

    00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,600

    are enjoying this podcast, please follow and rate it on your preferred listening platform.

    714

    00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,280

    If you're watching on YouTube, I would love to hear your discussion and thoughts in the

    715

    00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,960

    comments below.

    716

    00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,720

    Anything helps to push this podcast out to more people and get even more amazing guests

    717

    00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:33,720

    on.

    718

    00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:34,720

    So back to the show.

    719

    00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:38,800

    This is kind of a detour, but I just wanted to ask about your commentating of World Cups

    720

    00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,800

    as well.

    721

    00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,480

    While we're on the topic of World Cups.

    722

    00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:49,400

    I only recently learned that co-commentators get paid now and you've done it quite a bit.

    723

    00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,400

    I mean, I guess you probably also did it before you would get paid to do it.

    724

    00:49:53,400 --> 00:50:00,200

    So what kind of drew you to commentating and do you have interest in doing it more in the

    725

    00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,200

    future?

    726

    00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:08,640

    I feel like I've done it way more often before it was paid than now when it's paid.

    727

    00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,800

    So no, I didn't make a fortune out of it.

    728

    00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:18,560

    Yeah, co-commentators are paid 100 euros per round.

    729

    00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:25,000

    And I think it was a strategy probably to encourage people and maybe as a possible career

    730

    00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,600

    option like further on.

    731

    00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,880

    For me, I got brought into it by Charlie Bosco back in the day.

    732

    00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:38,000

    I think the first time I co-commented it was 2016 maybe.

    733

    00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,440

    I can't remember if it was ARCA, probably ARCA or Paris, the World Champs.

    734

    00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,320

    One of those two.

    735

    00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:50,320

    And yeah, I hit it off pretty well with Charlie and he really liked inviting me also to the

    736

    00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,900

    commentary box and I enjoyed it a lot.

    737

    00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:59,640

    And then when Matt took over, we also caught an amazing vibe together in the commentary

    738

    00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,560

    box really.

    739

    00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:09,160

    It just worked pretty well from the start and as I already had some experience before.

    740

    00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:17,040

    But nowadays, if I don't make finals, sometimes I feel a bit too tired to do the commentating

    741

    00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:24,360

    and I feel like I'd rather watch than commentate, whereas before it was vice versa.

    742

    00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:31,640

    And I did, I think, more lead commentaries than boulder.

    743

    00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:37,040

    As in lead, it's a little bit less dynamic, so I prefer to talk to someone while I watch

    744

    00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,040

    it.

    745

    00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:46,840

    Whereas in bouldering, it's a little bit more intense and also I usually am pretty tired

    746

    00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,440

    if I don't like, or even if I'm in the finals, I'm tired.

    747

    00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,880

    It's a pretty intense competition.

    748

    00:51:53,880 --> 00:52:01,280

    So either I watch it there on the spot or sometimes I stay in my hotel room and watch

    749

    00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:10,200

    the stream because I don't feel likely enough to go and watch it in person or I don't want

    750

    00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,200

    to mix with people.

    751

    00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,880

    It depends.

    752

    00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,640

    But yeah, commentary is fun.

    753

    00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:22,160

    It was interesting to start doing it when Eurosport took over because you get like,

    754

    00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:27,840

    I've probably met also explained, you get like different clues and you can hear when

    755

    00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,360

    there is like this cut time when you have to stop talking and stuff.

    756

    00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:38,520

    I was a little bit afraid prior to my first Eurosport commentary, but then I got into

    757

    00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:39,520

    it quite well.

    758

    00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:45,400

    So I think it was pretty good after that when I figured out how it works.

    759

    00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,080

    But yeah, I don't know.

    760

    00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,800

    It could be a potential thing to do after the climbing career.

    761

    00:52:51,800 --> 00:53:01,000

    I don't know if that position will change because in a way I feel like maybe having

    762

    00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:09,040

    athletes co-commentate is not the best thing because I feel like you'd want to have a professional

    763

    00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:17,080

    do it so that there are two professional commentators and not athletes because yeah, sometimes you're

    764

    00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,080

    going to have good co-commentary, sometimes not.

    765

    00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,360

    And to have it sort of balanced, I feel like it's better to have a professional one.

    766

    00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,280

    I know a lot of athletes who share that opinion.

    767

    00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:37,120

    So maybe it will become a thing where former athletes will become, like will form a base

    768

    00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:44,520

    for which they will be then hired to do the commentary because they have nothing to do

    769

    00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,920

    with the competition then personally.

    770

    00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:49,920

    It's just that job.

    771

    00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:58,080

    And if you take athletes, there's always the emotions of everything that's connected to

    772

    00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,640

    the performance and so on.

    773

    00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:06,200

    So it's a little bit different and probably more subjective when you have athletes.

    774

    00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,880

    But people seem to like that.

    775

    00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:13,400

    I like that input and to explain what's happening because probably people don't know much what's

    776

    00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,880

    happening behind the scenes, behind the wall and so on.

    777

    00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:28,580

    So I think it could be a potential career spot for former athletes or for someone who's

    778

    00:54:28,580 --> 00:54:34,820

    deciding to do just that and that it will move on from having athletes do it.

    779

    00:54:34,820 --> 00:54:39,440

    So that could be an option for far future for me, I think.

    780

    00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,080

    I mean, sure, I'll probably, yeah.

    781

    00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,880

    I mean, it's an option.

    782

    00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,480

    There's a lot of options.

    783

    00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:52,880

    But yeah, as I said, I really like working with Matt.

    784

    00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,280

    So that's also, it's fun.

    785

    00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,280

    Yeah.

    786

    00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,040

    I think a lot of people would hope that you would go back to commentating.

    787

    00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,320

    I think you're a lot of people's favorite co-commentator.

    788

    00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,320

    So people want to see it.

    789

    00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:11,040

    Are there any embarrassing moments that you can think of when it comes to commentary for

    790

    00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,040

    you?

    791

    00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,360

    Oh yeah, of course.

    792

    00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,920

    Often there were some phrases and Matt didn't even want to tell me what I said, but apparently

    793

    00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:28,360

    I'd say something that could give hints towards other sexual meaning and that I would totally

    794

    00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:33,520

    not notice it and then would just go on live.

    795

    00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:40,080

    I think one's the worst was, the one I remember was when I was explaining why sometimes people

    796

    00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,600

    choose to do heel hooks and some choose to do toe hooks.

    797

    00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:51,320

    And they said, some people are heel hookers and the others are toe hookers.

    798

    00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,520

    Perfect.

    799

    00:55:54,520 --> 00:56:02,140

    And I realized that as soon as I said it, I was like, oh, that was a dick driver.

    800

    00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:05,320

    And I don't know what else happened today.

    801

    00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,320

    Something happened in the cold time.

    802

    00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,960

    I can't remember what it was, but we both got so confused and then there was the cue

    803

    00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:17,520

    time and this like silent time.

    804

    00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,720

    And I don't know, there was like, we said it was like a technical incident, but something

    805

    00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:29,080

    happened where I said something that Matt started to stop me, prevent me from saying

    806

    00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,080

    something.

    807

    00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,080

    I don't remember what it was.

    808

    00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:36,160

    But then we just kind of tried to get the sentence completed.

    809

    00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:43,680

    And then the cue time came in and we were both like, what is going on?

    810

    00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,360

    Yeah, stuff like that, but not that much.

    811

    00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,360

    Okay.

    812

    00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,480

    No, that's good.

    813

    00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,240

    I don't remember hearing that.

    814

    00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:57,040

    Do you know which comp that might have been with the hooker talk?

    815

    00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,280

    Maybe it was Chamonix last year.

    816

    00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,560

    I can't remember.

    817

    00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,440

    It was some lead comp.

    818

    00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,560

    If I have time, I'll dig through and try to find out.

    819

    00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,760

    I think I did last year, I did Coper and Chamonix.

    820

    00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:17,320

    So one of those, I think maybe it was Coper last year.

    821

    00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,480

    It's hard to remember.

    822

    00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,480

    Yeah, that's embarrassing.

    823

    00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,480

    Then apparently when I said, when I told Matt, like, did you hear what I said?

    824

    00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,000

    What a stupid thing to do.

    825

    00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,760

    Oh, you said something way worse.

    826

    00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,960

    Like, what did I say?

    827

    00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,840

    I'm not going to tell.

    828

    00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,520

    You didn't look back and try to find what it was?

    829

    00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,200

    No, no, I don't look back.

    830

    00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:44,240

    I don't think I've ever listened to any commentary in my mind, except if I wanted to see a certain

    831

    00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,000

    part of the video, but yeah.

    832

    00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,000

    Okay.

    833

    00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,240

    I'll try to find it.

    834

    00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,480

    If I can find it, I'll link it and we can all take a listen.

    835

    00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,480

    Everyone will relive it.

    836

    00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,880

    Everyone will see what I said.

    837

    00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:07,920

    So let's move on to stuff about funding and you being a one person team.

    838

    00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:13,060

    So there is no Serbian team, I guess.

    839

    00:58:13,060 --> 00:58:15,600

    You are kind of the entire team.

    840

    00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,320

    So how does that kind of work?

    841

    00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,240

    Well, there is a team.

    842

    00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,240

    It exists.

    843

    00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:26,960

    It is me and there are other members of the team, but they do not go to competitions that

    844

    00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:27,960

    often.

    845

    00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,680

    They visit one or two per year, perhaps.

    846

    00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,680

    The ones that are close by.

    847

    00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:33,680

    International or?

    848

    00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,680

    Yes, yes, international.

    849

    00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:41,960

    Either European Cups or World Cup in the nearby vicinity of the city where the people live

    850

    00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:42,960

    in.

    851

    00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:51,000

    But usually most of the time it is just me and my parents.

    852

    00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,720

    So my dad is the head coach and my mom is the physio.

    853

    00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,560

    So we've done this our whole life basically.

    854

    00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,960

    So we just keep doing it.

    855

    00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:12,880

    So the funding comes through a personal program by the Olympic Committee of Serbia and also

    856

    00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:21,120

    the Ministry of Sports as an elite athlete.

    857

    00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:29,680

    These two organizations have basically supported a good part of my career and they made possible

    858

    00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:36,240

    to travel abroad and to travel to other continents.

    859

    00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:44,360

    Because the US and East Asia were usually the furthest ones to get to and the most expensive

    860

    00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,360

    ones.

    861

    00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:54,160

    So there's also good support from the federation, from the National Climbing Federation as well.

    862

    00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:59,200

    But yeah, their budget is not as big as the other two I've mentioned before.

    863

    00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,400

    So they jump in when there's a need for it.

    864

    01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:11,760

    But it's good to leave the rest of the budget for other kids who are competing and then

    865

    01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:18,960

    potentially other seniors that want to take part in that competition and then for other

    866

    01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,400

    things that the federation needs to do.

    867

    01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:26,400

    But yeah, without the Olympic Committee and the Ministry of Sport, I probably wouldn't

    868

    01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,200

    be able to travel far and that often.

    869

    01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,440

    But yeah, this is what keeps me going.

    870

    01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,840

    And of course, this is also related to results.

    871

    01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:45,560

    So if you have good results, you get awarded for the next year.

    872

    01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,060

    So I need to perform.

    873

    01:00:47,060 --> 01:00:54,460

    If I don't perform or it's less than a certain position, then it's less money and so on.

    874

    01:00:54,460 --> 01:00:59,800

    So there's always some kind of pressure, but also not that much because the people that

    875

    01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:07,700

    work with me from these organizations are very, very kind, very supportive.

    876

    01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:13,000

    And it's really nice to have such contact with these people and to feel supported, to

    877

    01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,160

    feel like belonging.

    878

    01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,640

    Because yeah, as you said, there is no team.

    879

    01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,580

    There is a team, but it's not big.

    880

    01:01:19,580 --> 01:01:20,880

    And I'm the only competitor.

    881

    01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:30,000

    So I don't have this kind of company usually from the same nation, from the same team.

    882

    01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:36,600

    So it's nice to have this kind of support and the sense of belonging to an organization,

    883

    01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:43,680

    to a team, to a bigger team in the sense like the Olympic team certainly, to have that behind

    884

    01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:51,440

    me, to support me, to lift me up when it's good times and when it's bad times, it's a

    885

    01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:57,040

    lovely group of people and I'm happy to have that in my life.

    886

    01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:58,040

    Oh, okay.

    887

    01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:02,400

    So that's like other, just like the Olympic team of Serbia in general.

    888

    01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,400

    Yeah.

    889

    01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:09,680

    So it's like the National Olympic Committee that has funding projects for teams and individuals

    890

    01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:19,200

    who are like prospects for Olympic games, then they're in Olympic sports and they then

    891

    01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:24,800

    fund like the great year-end programs and so on.

    892

    01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:31,720

    And there are people who then follow your results, follow you, contact you often, support

    893

    01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:32,720

    you and so on.

    894

    01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,160

    And it's like when I say the Olympic team of Serbia, I mean also all the athletes who

    895

    01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:41,080

    compete in the Olympic disciplines, former Olympians, hopefully future Olympians and so

    896

    01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,080

    on.

    897

    01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:50,240

    And it creates this kind of, this sense of unity with the others as well.

    898

    01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:57,360

    Sometimes we have like some stuff to do together or like photo shoots or certain activities

    899

    01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:02,440

    or we visit the sports fair and then there's this committee stand and then a lot of people

    900

    01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:09,680

    from this team come that are involved in any kind of like program with the Olympic committee.

    901

    01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,040

    And yeah, it's a very, very nice thing to do.

    902

    01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:19,400

    And this is also one of my biggest reasons why I want to go to the Olympic Games because

    903

    01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,800

    I want to be like also in person, in competition, I want to be a part of that team.

    904

    01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,600

    I want to be there with my whole nation.

    905

    01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:31,760

    Like with all the athletes who compete at the Olympics, I just want to be with them

    906

    01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:38,520

    and experience that kind of event.

    907

    01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,320

    That really, really motivates me.

    908

    01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:46,720

    I don't think anyone has any confusion why people would be motivated to be in the Olympics.

    909

    01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,720

    That'd be a dream.

    910

    01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:54,820

    Yeah, there are different things about Olympics that motivate people.

    911

    01:03:54,820 --> 01:03:57,880

    Like someone just wants to be the Olympic winner, you know, or you just want to be a

    912

    01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,880

    part of the experience.

    913

    01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:09,800

    But this like nation connected reason is really, I think, one of the few biggest things about

    914

    01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,400

    it that I like.

    915

    01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:12,400

    Yeah.

    916

    01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:17,840

    And so I guess specifically, I'm not sure what the climbing scene is like in Serbia.

    917

    01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,760

    I mean, you don't currently live there.

    918

    01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:27,480

    So I'm assuming maybe the gym scene there is not as built out or there's just like more

    919

    01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:32,680

    access to like coaches and centers in Germany.

    920

    01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:38,720

    What resources do you feel like you have access to and what do you wish you had access to?

    921

    01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:48,520

    Yeah, Serbia sadly is still not following the trends as would be expected in 2020-3

    922

    01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:52,560

    now still.

    923

    01:04:52,560 --> 01:05:00,120

    It has massively developed, thankfully, and there are a lot of people who climb and a

    924

    01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,200

    lot of people climb outdoors too.

    925

    01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:11,040

    I feel like this elite scene is more on the side of the rock climbing, whereas the beginner

    926

    01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,480

    and commercial climbing is of course more popular.

    927

    01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:19,640

    In their bouldering gyms, there have been quite a few openings, especially in Belgrade

    928

    01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:29,840

    and also in Ijsh, we have a new wall since a year or more than a year, which is great.

    929

    01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:34,280

    And I find they have like a really, really good place to train when I go home.

    930

    01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,720

    And I'm really, really happy to have that.

    931

    01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:43,800

    Because when I was a kid, it was not even close to the conditions that now exist in

    932

    01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,120

    my hometown.

    933

    01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:51,240

    But yeah, there is not enough coaches, not enough room setters, even though there is

    934

    01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:56,400

    obviously work being done in this area.

    935

    01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:05,400

    We bring foreign specialists and they hold seminars in Serbia to teach people.

    936

    01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:13,440

    I still believe that more work should be done, but it's also like we don't have enough people

    937

    01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:20,520

    in it that have been there for a long time to be able to gain this knowledge and experience.

    938

    01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,640

    So it's all fairly new, so to say.

    939

    01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:33,800

    But yeah, I lived in Slovenia from 2014 until 2019.

    940

    01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,380

    And I was there for schooling and also training.

    941

    01:06:38,380 --> 01:06:47,000

    And then I enrolled in the master's program in 2019 in September, October, and in Munich.

    942

    01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,760

    So I'm still here.

    943

    01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:56,280

    And yeah, here I have like a little base in Munich and a lot of neighboring cities that

    944

    01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:01,160

    have amazing gyms and really good root setting that I can access.

    945

    01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:08,880

    So it's maybe currently for me in this part of Europe, yeah, for me the perfect spot to

    946

    01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,880

    be in.

    947

    01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:17,200

    And of course it will require some traveling to Austria further down south, back to Slovenia

    948

    01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:21,040

    also and to France for some training camps.

    949

    01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,360

    But now I feel like I'm very, very central.

    950

    01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:30,040

    You know, I have a lot of opportunities in the nearest cities around me.

    951

    01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,680

    And so back to the financial portion.

    952

    01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,240

    I think climbing has always been a very collaborative sport.

    953

    01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,280

    People are always reading routes together, helping each other out.

    954

    01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:45,600

    And ISO, like you had mentioned, even though it's like a competition.

    955

    01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:51,560

    And now that there's more like money and fame tied to it with the Olympics, are you like

    956

    01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:56,760

    concerned that's something that's going to change or go away?

    957

    01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:03,360

    I'm afraid it will, but maybe not that fast.

    958

    01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:09,520

    I think it's kind of an advantage to have both old school people in climbing and the

    959

    01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:14,080

    new school people in climbing to keep the balance kind of going so that the sport doesn't

    960

    01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:25,800

    go fully commercial and forget its roots, so to say, the culture and so on.

    961

    01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:34,520

    It might happen sooner or later, but so far it's been quite all right.

    962

    01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:40,480

    It hasn't had too much of bad influence, but also there hasn't really been, I think, enough

    963

    01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:45,720

    financial inflow to the athletes.

    964

    01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:55,200

    I feel like we all need a bit better sponsoring contracts than the companies can afford.

    965

    01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,300

    This is the second vicious circle.

    966

    01:08:57,300 --> 01:09:02,400

    The outdoor companies don't have enough money because they're outdoor companies and they

    967

    01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:07,280

    can't give a lot of their budget for a lot of people.

    968

    01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:14,160

    And then the athletes don't earn enough from the sponsors because it's still considered

    969

    01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:19,600

    to be an urban slash outdoor sport, which not.

    970

    01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:26,360

    Like competition climbing, sorry, has nothing to do with being urban or outdoor.

    971

    01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:34,040

    Yeah, but sadly it all still runs in a kind of a different world, so there are not that

    972

    01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:38,560

    many sponsorships that come outside of climbing.

    973

    01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:44,200

    There are some, but a bit more nowadays, but still not as much as it should be for an Olympic

    974

    01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,240

    sport.

    975

    01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:58,440

    But yeah, so far when it comes to interpersonal relationships and contacts, I think it's still

    976

    01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:01,360

    quite all right and quite as it was.

    977

    01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:07,320

    Maybe there are some new kids coming in who are new to the world and see it from different

    978

    01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:14,280

    perspective and have come in the time and place where it has become way more commercial.

    979

    01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,940

    And this is the world they know.

    980

    01:10:16,940 --> 01:10:28,480

    So like the difference sometimes is noticeable, like with ambitions or maybe, yeah, how you

    981

    01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:36,400

    show yourself to the world, but yeah, not such drastic differences really yet.

    982

    01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,040

    Hopefully it'll still be a nice environment to be in.

    983

    01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,880

    Yeah, I hope so too.

    984

    01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,460

    Yeah, okay.

    985

    01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:52,720

    So looking back on the 2023 season, I think you mentioned it was not the best season for

    986

    01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,720

    you.

    987

    01:10:54,720 --> 01:11:01,200

    Now that you've had a little bit of time to reflect on it, how are you feeling about it?

    988

    01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,200

    Still bad?

    989

    01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:03,200

    Low lights, highlights?

    990

    01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:08,760

    Yeah, I think when we talked last time, it was still quite fresh from the end of the

    991

    01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,900

    season.

    992

    01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:16,000

    But now when I look back, really I just can see how much progress I've made.

    993

    01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,080

    It was a really chaotic season because it was so many competitions on different parts

    994

    01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:26,640

    of the world in such a short period of time that people needed to skip comps, you needed

    995

    01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:33,320

    to be tactical about it, and it was pretty hard to endure it all.

    996

    01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:40,080

    But in the end, yeah, I mean, I had pretty great results.

    997

    01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:46,200

    I had a bronze in Brixen and the silver on the European Qualifier, which was probably

    998

    01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,480

    the performance of the year for me.

    999

    01:11:48,480 --> 01:12:00,680

    I was so flowy and really strong both mentally and physically, so I felt that I really peaked

    1000

    01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,840

    at the end, so to say.

    1001

    01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:12,200

    Yeah, there were a lot of unfortunate moments, of course, but it was a process.

    1002

    01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:17,120

    The last competition of the year was the most important anyway, so everything before that

    1003

    01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,640

    was kind of the path towards it.

    1004

    01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,560

    Even though I missed out on the Olympic ticket for just one spot, well, again now for the

    1005

    01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:29,240

    second time, I don't think it was bad.

    1006

    01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:36,520

    I think it was a pretty great experience for me, a good introduction to know what's the

    1007

    01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:42,120

    format going to look like at DOQS in terms of the amount of days, the amount of rounds,

    1008

    01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,120

    rests, and so on.

    1009

    01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:49,080

    Pretty exhausting though, but now I know what it is, so it doesn't come as a surprise at

    1010

    01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:50,080

    DOQS.

    1011

    01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:54,640

    But yeah, all in all, it was all right.

    1012

    01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:55,640

    It was all right.

    1013

    01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:56,640

    I think it was good.

    1014

    01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:06,240

    There was a lot of positives, a lot of learning how to deal with myself, approaching problems,

    1015

    01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,000

    people.

    1016

    01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:17,080

    I've realized actually, I thought that this new generation of people are just really closed

    1017

    01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:23,680

    in their own bubble and nobody wants to communicate and nobody reaches out, nobody approaches.

    1018

    01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:28,520

    I thought, well, nobody approaches me like, what's up with all these people?

    1019

    01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,520

    The people that I know, of course, I have a normal relationship with.

    1020

    01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:39,240

    But every time that there's something new and they seem to communicate within their

    1021

    01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:48,280

    own small circles, I thought, yeah, I don't know, everyone's getting too proud or so

    1022

    01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:54,600

    and so on, but then I've heard that I'm probably not the most approachable person either.

    1023

    01:13:54,600 --> 01:14:03,320

    And then when I started approaching people myself as a already much experienced, I won't

    1024

    01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:10,680

    say old, but experienced in the comp scene, when I started approaching the kids and talking

    1025

    01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:17,800

    to them, being the first one to break, then I would figure out how many of them are just

    1026

    01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,760

    really nice and kind people.

    1027

    01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:28,640

    And this spread of kindness was something that really motivated me on a few comps.

    1028

    01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:36,440

    Just being there and seeing how nice people are was really cool because I've judged it

    1029

    01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:40,240

    otherwise before as I didn't have the full picture.

    1030

    01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:44,460

    And when you don't talk to someone, you don't know who they are and what they do.

    1031

    01:14:44,460 --> 01:14:48,280

    You just see them compete and how they behave.

    1032

    01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:55,840

    So that was very inspiring to have this sense of a community again.

    1033

    01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,200

    That's just pretty nice.

    1034

    01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:01,280

    That's one of the biggest takeouts of this year as well.

    1035

    01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:07,120

    Well, yeah, sadly, I have to do the work and the approaching, but it's worth it.

    1036

    01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,680

    No, I think that makes sense.

    1037

    01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,160

    I mean, they're younger.

    1038

    01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:16,880

    They probably have watched you climb and are probably fans as well.

    1039

    01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:23,280

    And when you're a fan of someone, it's very, very, very, very, very scary to approach someone

    1040

    01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:24,280

    and try to talk to.

    1041

    01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,360

    Yeah, I've heard that some people were scared of me also.

    1042

    01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,200

    I think Brooke said that.

    1043

    01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:33,800

    I think Brooke was really terrified the first time I saw her or something like that.

    1044

    01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:39,560

    I think she went through a mom and I know her mom since I was a kid.

    1045

    01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:44,600

    And well, Brooke was I think still around there, but we didn't know each other and she

    1046

    01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,280

    was really a toddler back then.

    1047

    01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:54,680

    And I've approached Robin in ARCO, I think 2008 maybe.

    1048

    01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,520

    It was really a long time ago.

    1049

    01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:07,200

    And my parents used to have these VHS videos of her training, like yeah, training movies

    1050

    01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:13,240

    of Robin, Robert True, Everest filled Robert True.

    1051

    01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:14,240

    And they were really big fans.

    1052

    01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:19,080

    And they were like, oh, let's get to know each other.

    1053

    01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:20,080

    Let's greet her.

    1054

    01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,480

    And then we met and it was really lovely.

    1055

    01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:24,720

    I mean, I didn't watch these videos.

    1056

    01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:25,720

    I was really tiny.

    1057

    01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:30,720

    So I know, but apparently my parents, she's a big memory.

    1058

    01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,920

    So I said, okay, let me meet someone like that.

    1059

    01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:34,920

    She was really lovely.

    1060

    01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:39,960

    And she remembered me from then and then we always greet each other in every competition

    1061

    01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,440

    and she watched me grow up basically.

    1062

    01:16:42,440 --> 01:16:46,080

    And then Brooke came into World Cups.

    1063

    01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:51,120

    She told mom Stasha is really scary.

    1064

    01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,840

    She just started laughing because Robin doesn't know me being scary.

    1065

    01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,440

    And she's like, oh Brooke, it's fine.

    1066

    01:16:57,440 --> 01:16:59,240

    She's actually really nice.

    1067

    01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,960

    That's funny.

    1068

    01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,800

    It's good to know that other competitors also get really scared.

    1069

    01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,400

    It's just, it's scary talking to people.

    1070

    01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,280

    Yeah it is.

    1071

    01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:21,200

    Is there anyone that you're scared to talk to?

    1072

    01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:22,200

    I don't know.

    1073

    01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,680

    Maybe, I don't know if it's really fear.

    1074

    01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:30,780

    I don't know if I'm scared, but it's definitely not on the same level.

    1075

    01:17:30,780 --> 01:17:33,900

    Like Adam Andra perhaps.

    1076

    01:17:33,900 --> 01:17:39,000

    He doesn't visit competitions that often.

    1077

    01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,960

    So I don't get to interact with him almost at all.

    1078

    01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:49,360

    I don't know if we've spoken a few words even a few times, but it always feels like

    1079

    01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:58,480

    he's someone very big who did big things and then I'm just hanging around.

    1080

    01:17:58,480 --> 01:17:59,840

    That's a little bit how it feels.

    1081

    01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,640

    But everyone else I really, I know for a long time now.

    1082

    01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:08,440

    So it's not a big deal anymore, but Andra is not around that often.

    1083

    01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:11,080

    So I think most of it.

    1084

    01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:16,880

    And this is just such a big name, you know, that yeah, when you're not used to someone

    1085

    01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:17,880

    like that.

    1086

    01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:24,800

    It's funny because also maybe people would feel like this with Yanya as well, but with

    1087

    01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:29,760

    Yanya it's like completely the opposite because I've trained with her when we were teenagers.

    1088

    01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,800

    So I know her for a long time since she was 14 basically.

    1089

    01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:42,640

    So we're really good friends and yeah, that's quite the opposite side of it.

    1090

    01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:43,960

    Yeah, that makes sense.

    1091

    01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,820

    Well, I hope you can meet him one day.

    1092

    01:18:47,820 --> 01:18:49,960

    Have a nice chat.

    1093

    01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:50,960

    Maybe.

    1094

    01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,820

    We'll see.

    1095

    01:18:54,820 --> 01:19:00,500

    So yeah, back to the 2023 season, you were also juggling university and getting your

    1096

    01:19:00,500 --> 01:19:03,440

    master's degree along with the season.

    1097

    01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:05,360

    So how did you manage that?

    1098

    01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:09,480

    I had to give up on some free time activities firstly.

    1099

    01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:17,000

    Like I play viola and I played in some amateur orchestra here in Munich.

    1100

    01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:26,140

    And I realized that I need to finish uni this summer and that I don't have enough time.

    1101

    01:19:26,140 --> 01:19:36,120

    So I had to give up playing viola in the orchestra and maybe reduce the social activity.

    1102

    01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:43,480

    But yeah, I spent a lot of time on my computer while traveling, just working for the thesis.

    1103

    01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:47,760

    I started beginning of January.

    1104

    01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:58,240

    And I can recall working a lot while being on some tour somewhere in the competitions.

    1105

    01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:04,560

    And I had the thesis handing on the day of the Chamonix qualifications.

    1106

    01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,900

    So it was tiring.

    1107

    01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:15,680

    I found it very hard to keep the concentration up with the volume of climbing.

    1108

    01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:20,440

    It's like when I'm done with the training, I'm so low on energy that I can't focus.

    1109

    01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:27,080

    So this was a little bit tricky to handle, but I managed to find some kind of a rhythm

    1110

    01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,920

    how and when to do it.

    1111

    01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:35,620

    I was more productive if I worked in the morning and then went to training and vice versa.

    1112

    01:20:35,620 --> 01:20:40,160

    Or I had to wait till this initial tiredness fades away and then in the evening I could

    1113

    01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:46,120

    be more productive.

    1114

    01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:50,360

    But it went well and I finished.

    1115

    01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:54,720

    I graduated, so now I'm not a student anymore.

    1116

    01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:55,720

    Thanks.

    1117

    01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,940

    For a few months now.

    1118

    01:20:58,940 --> 01:21:04,680

    And I still feel like I don't have time to do everything that I want to do.

    1119

    01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:05,680

    It's always like that.

    1120

    01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:10,160

    It doesn't matter how many things I have to do, I never have enough time.

    1121

    01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:14,640

    Maybe you should just do everything anyway and it'll still just feel like you don't have

    1122

    01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,600

    enough time, but you're doing more.

    1123

    01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,880

    Yeah, I think that's more of a solution.

    1124

    01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:25,280

    But not doing more in the sense doing more stressful things, doing more things that I

    1125

    01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:26,280

    like.

    1126

    01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:32,260

    So I like programming, I like researching, I like writing.

    1127

    01:21:32,260 --> 01:21:40,280

    And now when I don't do that, I probably do more other activities that take my time, but

    1128

    01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,000

    I don't have the benefit of it.

    1129

    01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,360

    I don't know, binge watching probably.

    1130

    01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:52,440

    And maybe also trying to pack in to meet all the people in one day if I can and then I

    1131

    01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:57,520

    stress out when I get late to every consecutive meeting.

    1132

    01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:04,960

    Or now I just pop up a million things in my schedule and then I stress out to finish them

    1133

    01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:08,600

    all on time and not to be able to catch this and that and that.

    1134

    01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,860

    And I somehow managed to schedule a lot of traveling as well.

    1135

    01:22:11,860 --> 01:22:16,320

    So everything that I couldn't do during the season, now I'm visiting those places and

    1136

    01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,200

    people.

    1137

    01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:26,080

    So yeah, I feel like I spent half a month maybe in my flat and the other half somewhere

    1138

    01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,960

    else.

    1139

    01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,640

    A lot of traveling at the moment.

    1140

    01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,080

    What are you binge watching?

    1141

    01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:41,940

    Oh, now I'm sitting movies in Pirates of the Caribbean.

    1142

    01:22:41,940 --> 01:22:44,600

    So I have two more.

    1143

    01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:48,400

    And then Big Bang Theory also.

    1144

    01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,880

    Interesting choices.

    1145

    01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:50,960

    Yes.

    1146

    01:22:50,960 --> 01:23:01,240

    I always thought Big Bang Theory was annoying, but now that I've rewatched it, I haven't

    1147

    01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:05,520

    watched everything before, but now I just started from a season and I just go on in

    1148

    01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:06,520

    the eternity.

    1149

    01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,880

    Now I find it pretty funny.

    1150

    01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:15,000

    Yeah, people started memeing on that show a lot because they would take out the laugh

    1151

    01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,320

    track and then it would be not funny at all.

    1152

    01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,480

    But yeah, it'll ruin it for you, so don't watch those.

    1153

    01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:24,480

    I don't know.

    1154

    01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:29,440

    I'll try it because I still think some things are pretty funny.

    1155

    01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:30,440

    But it's a good thing.

    1156

    01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:33,960

    I've never noticed that, how it would be without the laughing, without the audience.

    1157

    01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,200

    It might ruin it.

    1158

    01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,760

    So maybe you don't do it.

    1159

    01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,920

    And then you have to watch the spin-off show as well.

    1160

    01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:42,920

    Young Sheldon?

    1161

    01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,920

    Wait, I forget what it's called.

    1162

    01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:45,920

    There's a spin-off show.

    1163

    01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,760

    Oh, you watched it.

    1164

    01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:54,920

    So I watched The Big Bang Theory a while ago and it was still on TV airing back in the

    1165

    01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,520

    day, but only when I'd catch it.

    1166

    01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:06,560

    And I think also why I didn't find it so funny is because I watched it with Serbian subtitles

    1167

    01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:07,920

    back in the day.

    1168

    01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:13,680

    So maybe the translations were odd and then I usually focus more on the text than on what

    1169

    01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:14,680

    I hear.

    1170

    01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:24,440

    I'm more like visual person, like my audio understanding is behind my visual comprehension.

    1171

    01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:28,440

    So maybe this is why it wasn't so funny.

    1172

    01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:33,200

    And then I started watching Young Sheldon maybe the beginning of this year or like maybe

    1173

    01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,720

    during summer.

    1174

    01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:36,980

    And then I watched the whole of it.

    1175

    01:24:36,980 --> 01:24:42,840

    And how it started, I saw some shorts, like some inserts on YouTube, which I found super

    1176

    01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,080

    funny and I thought, maybe this show is really cool.

    1177

    01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,480

    And then I watched the whole Young Sheldon and then I was like, oh, well, now I have

    1178

    01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:53,240

    to watch The Big Bang Theory.

    1179

    01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:54,240

    Should I watch it?

    1180

    01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:55,240

    Is it good?

    1181

    01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:56,240

    Which one?

    1182

    01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:57,240

    Young Sheldon?

    1183

    01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:58,240

    Young Sheldon.

    1184

    01:24:58,240 --> 01:24:59,240

    I've never seen that.

    1185

    01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:00,240

    Yeah.

    1186

    01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:04,520

    I find the rest of the family funnier than the actual Sheldon.

    1187

    01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:13,160

    So if you want like really funny Texas speaking people, then it's good.

    1188

    01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:14,640

    It's pretty funny.

    1189

    01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:15,640

    Okay.

    1190

    01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,120

    I'll give it a watch.

    1191

    01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,000

    Thanks for the recommendation.

    1192

    01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,000

    Yeah.

    1193

    01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:26,520

    It's like so Texas-y and so like traditionally from that state.

    1194

    01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:27,520

    Yeah.

    1195

    01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:32,240

    Also the behavior, like the vibes in the sound.

    1196

    01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:33,240

    Okay.

    1197

    01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:34,240

    I'll see.

    1198

    01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:41,840

    And you also, I didn't know that you were still playing viola up until like before this

    1199

    01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,680

    season.

    1200

    01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,840

    Is that something you're going to pick back up?

    1201

    01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,520

    It's a thing that I put down and pick back up every now and then.

    1202

    01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:57,080

    Like in seasons I did six years of musical school.

    1203

    01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:04,080

    I started a little bit late also, so I had to like run through the like so-called elementary

    1204

    01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:09,200

    music school that last six years, but I did it in four.

    1205

    01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:15,360

    Like I had to do two years in one year twice, stuff like that.

    1206

    01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:16,960

    And then I enrolled in the high school.

    1207

    01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:24,240

    I did years one and two, but then when I moved to Slovenia in my third year of high school,

    1208

    01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:30,720

    stopped like the music education, but I continued playing in the school orchestra where I was.

    1209

    01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:35,920

    So yeah, then when I enrolled in uni, this is where I stopped basically in the bachelor's

    1210

    01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:41,880

    and then yeah, picked it up every now and then, replayed some old stuff.

    1211

    01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:46,760

    Maybe if I found something new, I'd play that and then left it again and then picked it

    1212

    01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:47,760

    up again.

    1213

    01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,800

    So yeah, I think I'll pick it up again soon.

    1214

    01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,320

    I have some stock on the place.

    1215

    01:26:54,320 --> 01:27:02,240

    I haven't touched my violin since I started climbing really, but I imagine the strings

    1216

    01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,480

    might kind of hurt on my fingertips.

    1217

    01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:05,480

    Depends.

    1218

    01:27:05,480 --> 01:27:15,640

    Depends how you play because for me, it's more like above the fingertip ones.

    1219

    01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,160

    So to say.

    1220

    01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:23,520

    So depends the sliding, like switching positions can sometimes be painful.

    1221

    01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:29,360

    And the second finger mostly because I kind of landed flat, but the first two are fine.

    1222

    01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:35,040

    It's usually the third finger that is sometimes a little bit more difficult, but I mostly

    1223

    01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:43,320

    find it painful if you have like capsule injuries, but like any kind of actual finger injury.

    1224

    01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,840

    Some positions are really painful.

    1225

    01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,600

    I had it once or twice.

    1226

    01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:54,840

    Yeah, especially going to the last string, like turning over is hard sometimes.

    1227

    01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:55,840

    Oh, interesting.

    1228

    01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,840

    Yeah, but usually it works.

    1229

    01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:00,280

    I'm going to try it.

    1230

    01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:01,280

    You should.

    1231

    01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:02,280

    Get back to it.

    1232

    01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:03,280

    Of course.

    1233

    01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,640

    I'm going to try it today, right after this.

    1234

    01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:06,640

    Nice.

    1235

    01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:07,640

    Thank you.

    1236

    01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:08,640

    We'll see how that goes.

    1237

    01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:09,640

    And we should.

    1238

    01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:10,640

    Interesting.

    1239

    01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:11,640

    Thanks.

    1240

    01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:12,640

    I've been inspired.

    1241

    01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,640

    I'm glad to hear.

    1242

    01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:16,640

    Okay.

    1243

    01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:18,800

    Oh my gosh, we're running out of time.

    1244

    01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:24,480

    I just want to ask really quick about OQS preparation and then we'll do a few discord

    1245

    01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:27,360

    questions and then I'll let you go.

    1246

    01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:33,320

    So yeah, OQS, can you just briefly explain how OQS is going to work for people who aren't

    1247

    01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:34,320

    as familiar?

    1248

    01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,320

    It's a very confusing process, honestly.

    1249

    01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:41,200

    Like the hollow Olympic qualifications are very confusing.

    1250

    01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:44,400

    So OQS consists of two competitions.

    1251

    01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:51,160

    One is in Shanghai in May and the other one is in Budapest in June.

    1252

    01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:58,880

    So it will be run just as all the Olympic continental qualifiers, basically the same

    1253

    01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,080

    system.

    1254

    01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:06,080

    So you have qualifications, semi-finals and finals.

    1255

    01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,240

    And then it's in both disciplines combined.

    1256

    01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:12,280

    So qualifications first, qualification boulder, then qualification lead.

    1257

    01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:17,560

    Then they sum up the points, take the 20 people, my people go to semi-finals.

    1258

    01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:24,600

    And then to say boulder semi-finals, lead semi-finals, sum up the points, take the eight

    1259

    01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:28,760

    people and then it's finals.

    1260

    01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:35,560

    So at the end of each event, you have your ranking one, two, 48.

    1261

    01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:40,680

    There will be 48 people there.

    1262

    01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:44,240

    Each of these places get a certain number of points.

    1263

    01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:49,800

    It's like ranking points, nothing to do with climbing points.

    1264

    01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:55,180

    So just to denote the certain place that you hold after a competition, that's all.

    1265

    01:29:55,180 --> 01:30:02,320

    So the same is done in Budapest and then they will sum up these points.

    1266

    01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,400

    The ranking points will be summed up.

    1267

    01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:08,400

    It's basically like a general ranking in the end.

    1268

    01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:12,600

    And the top 10 in the general ranking go to the Olympic Games.

    1269

    01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:22,640

    But top 10, as long as the conditions are fulfilled, maximum two spots per country.

    1270

    01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:31,300

    And then also if one French person or female French is in top 10, since they already have

    1271

    01:30:31,300 --> 01:30:37,280

    one spot and they have one host spot, they don't count in this one.

    1272

    01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,840

    So the 11th person also goes instead of this.

    1273

    01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:48,140

    So yeah, the French already has a spot, but they're allowed to send their athletes because

    1274

    01:30:48,140 --> 01:30:54,880

    host spot is the last one that is like filled up or given to a person.

    1275

    01:30:54,880 --> 01:31:03,280

    Therefore they have the right to go to all QS and well, maybe use that event as a way

    1276

    01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,840

    to choose who the person will be for the host spot.

    1277

    01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,000

    I don't know.

    1278

    01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,920

    So they are allowed to send their athletes, but if they're in top 10, then they don't

    1279

    01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:17,200

    count in this whole scope.

    1280

    01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:20,800

    So yeah, you have two per country, so that means there's one more Japanese.

    1281

    01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:25,320

    So if there are three Japanese in top 10, only the first one counts, just two fall out

    1282

    01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,240

    and then you pick up people and so on.

    1283

    01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:33,880

    And also there's some trick with the universality, like this Olympic solidarity spot.

    1284

    01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:40,480

    I think Vanna needs to be top 35 for what I've heard on that comp to be able to go to

    1285

    01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:41,480

    the Olympics.

    1286

    01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:44,240

    If she doesn't make it, then also one more spot goes from no QS.

    1287

    01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:48,080

    I think this is also where I'm not 100% sure.

    1288

    01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,680

    But yeah, it's top 10, but with eliminates.

    1289

    01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:52,800

    Gotcha.

    1290

    01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,480

    Yeah.

    1291

    01:31:54,480 --> 01:32:01,720

    And so how is your mental game going into OQS?

    1292

    01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:06,000

    It's pretty well now because it's still the beginning of the training.

    1293

    01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,680

    It's still like basic training, basic buildup.

    1294

    01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:15,760

    Yeah, base endurance, base power.

    1295

    01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:21,800

    There's not much complex stuff going on yet.

    1296

    01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:29,400

    Not that many more comp specific things to be trained right now.

    1297

    01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:31,760

    It's all physical basis.

    1298

    01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:38,360

    So yeah, I mean, mentally is just going through it and giving your all.

    1299

    01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:44,220

    It's just about finding those physical limits and then pushing through.

    1300

    01:32:44,220 --> 01:32:48,040

    This is that, that's like the part of the preparation now.

    1301

    01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:54,640

    And then in the following months, it's going to change and develop into more technical,

    1302

    01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:58,040

    more specific automatic things.

    1303

    01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:01,560

    Is there anything special to prepare?

    1304

    01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:09,440

    The usual, it's a lot of fitness, a lot of spray wall climbing, like a lot of repetitions,

    1305

    01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:13,080

    circuit training, stuff like that.

    1306

    01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:20,760

    And also like the OQS competitions are happening quite close to the actual date of the Olympics.

    1307

    01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:22,480

    So does that affect anything?

    1308

    01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:28,280

    Like does it make it more stressful because then you have to like peak at different times?

    1309

    01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:35,440

    Yeah, it is a bit tricky because you technically have to peak twice.

    1310

    01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:39,440

    But I feel like qualifying is pretty important.

    1311

    01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:45,760

    So I'd rather peak soon as well.

    1312

    01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,720

    I'd rather go to the Olympics and rather than not go.

    1313

    01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:53,120

    So I feel like there is no playing with this, with the OQS.

    1314

    01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,920

    It's really going to be tough.

    1315

    01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:04,880

    So it has to be top, top form for both of those comps to try to hold it, hold onto it.

    1316

    01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:13,240

    And of course, World Cups kind of lost their sense now in this year.

    1317

    01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:20,360

    But yeah, I think it's also, OQS is an amazing preparation for the Olympics.

    1318

    01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:31,600

    So it still gives you a month and a half to recover and prepare, which is quite okay.

    1319

    01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:35,960

    But I think it should have been organized a little bit earlier because our idea was

    1320

    01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:44,600

    when we talked about it in the athletes commission was to have it like March, April, May latest,

    1321

    01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,480

    but then it all shifted and everything got postponed.

    1322

    01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:49,400

    So that's main juice.

    1323

    01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:53,720

    That's a little bit unfortunate, but it is what it is and gives us still enough time

    1324

    01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:55,040

    to prepare.

    1325

    01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:59,400

    Are you planning on taking part in any of the World Cups before that?

    1326

    01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,440

    I don't even know if they put out the schedule actually.

    1327

    01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:03,360

    Yeah, there is a schedule.

    1328

    01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:08,160

    So I'll go to Shanghai for the World Cup in the beginning of April and also two weeks

    1329

    01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:13,360

    later is like a European Cup in Plagenfurt in Austria.

    1330

    01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,200

    So these are the two comps I'll do before.

    1331

    01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:17,720

    Then it's Shanghai OQS.

    1332

    01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:23,560

    So we go to Shanghai, come back and then go to Shanghai again.

    1333

    01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:27,280

    And between the two, I will not be doing any competitions.

    1334

    01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:28,280

    Makes sense.

    1335

    01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:35,120

    Well, we are looking forward to seeing you compete in the World Cups and really praying

    1336

    01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,120

    for you for OQS.

    1337

    01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:37,120

    Thanks.

    1338

    01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,920

    We want to see it happen.

    1339

    01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:41,920

    Good luck to you.

    1340

    01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:42,920

    Yeah, me too.

    1341

    01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:43,920

    Thanks.

    1342

    01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:44,920

    Thanks a lot.

    1343

    01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:45,920

    Yeah.

    1344

    01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:51,480

    And so, okay, a few discord questions from the community.

    1345

    01:35:51,480 --> 01:35:56,000

    So first one, you're very expressive with your emotions on stage.

    1346

    01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:00,120

    Do you ever get negative responses to that and does it negatively impact you?

    1347

    01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:07,920

    Well, I think it affects me negatively when I have negative emotional responses.

    1348

    01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,680

    But it's who I am and it's how I've always been.

    1349

    01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:18,400

    So this was one of the bigger like long-term projects of mine to try to kind of calm it

    1350

    01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:25,320

    down a bit, not in the sense of restricting myself of emotional expressiveness, but rather

    1351

    01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:30,680

    to control the negative side if it comes.

    1352

    01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:38,400

    There were times I think three years ago when I was really getting pretty angry at myself

    1353

    01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:43,640

    like for making mistakes and stuff, but it's always like a few layers down.

    1354

    01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:47,800

    It's like accepting of yourself and your mistakes and starting over.

    1355

    01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:53,160

    And a lot of the things I never thought I'd have to deal with, but as you grow up, sometimes

    1356

    01:36:53,160 --> 01:37:04,520

    you forget how you were when you were younger and you didn't have such like mental responses.

    1357

    01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:12,840

    So then you actually put work in and yeah, change, rewire yourself and your way of thinking.

    1358

    01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:16,200

    Because as you grow up, you change and your brain changes and your thoughts as well.

    1359

    01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:21,440

    So there was also good progress on that this year.

    1360

    01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:23,920

    But I don't know if I get negative comments.

    1361

    01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:32,240

    Mostly I think friends and family would point out to me sometimes, but mostly people like

    1362

    01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:33,840

    that I'm that expressive.

    1363

    01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,480

    I think it's good.

    1364

    01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:39,960

    Photographers like it a lot because they don't like it when it's completely not expressive.

    1365

    01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:40,960

    They hate it.

    1366

    01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:41,960

    They have nothing to shoot then.

    1367

    01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,400

    I've heard these complaints so much.

    1368

    01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:47,240

    They're like, oh, you're the easiest to shoot.

    1369

    01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,440

    There's always going to, something's going to come up.

    1370

    01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:53,080

    No, yeah, it definitely makes it more interesting.

    1371

    01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:54,080

    Yeah.

    1372

    01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:55,080

    Okay.

    1373

    01:37:55,080 --> 01:38:01,880

    Any noticeable differences in how each national team trains since you've kind of been around?

    1374

    01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:03,400

    Yeah, it does.

    1375

    01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:08,200

    Actually you can see the patterns of what the base training consists of and how they

    1376

    01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:09,960

    do their plannings.

    1377

    01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:18,040

    So far I had to experience with a combination of what the Swiss used to do, the Austrians

    1378

    01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:20,960

    used to do, the Slovenians and so on.

    1379

    01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:31,520

    It all has a similar idea, but slightly different approaches in number of moves, number of repetitions,

    1380

    01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:35,400

    how many times per week what when you do which exercises.

    1381

    01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:41,280

    Mostly they differ in what particular exercise for a certain thing.

    1382

    01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,160

    This is where I found the most variation.

    1383

    01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:52,040

    But it's usually just in the base training like this what happens in winter.

    1384

    01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:55,880

    But it follows a similar way of thinking.

    1385

    01:38:55,880 --> 01:39:02,360

    Is it like, are you going to do, I don't know, four by four or three by six or are you going

    1386

    01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:04,000

    to do eight moves or 10 moves?

    1387

    01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,840

    Are you going to do it with weight, no weight and so on?

    1388

    01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:08,440

    There's stuff like that.

    1389

    01:39:08,440 --> 01:39:13,320

    Do you have a favorite national team training plan?

    1390

    01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:14,320

    No.

    1391

    01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:21,280

    The perfect one would be a combo of all of those, just picking bits and pieces from every

    1392

    01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:22,280

    one.

    1393

    01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:23,280

    Okay.

    1394

    01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:26,840

    One person said, I lived in Munich for quite some time.

    1395

    01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:32,480

    What do you like about the city or about Germany in general?

    1396

    01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:37,800

    I like Munich because it's so nice and orderly.

    1397

    01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:45,160

    There are people that don't like this at all about Munich, but for me, it all looks kind

    1398

    01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:48,120

    of peaceful, so to say.

    1399

    01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:51,520

    Not too chaotic.

    1400

    01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:56,720

    It has just some really nice landscapes and nice spots in the city, like a lot of nice

    1401

    01:39:56,720 --> 01:40:06,200

    parks as well, pretty buildings, nice architecture.

    1402

    01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:09,640

    Each part of the city has kinds of different vibe.

    1403

    01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:16,040

    I fell in love with Munich when I started coming in for the World Cups basically.

    1404

    01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:20,960

    It was always, I want to live here one day.

    1405

    01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:24,480

    I also said about Stockholm, but I still haven't lived there.

    1406

    01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:27,400

    I think the weather there is a bit too much for me.

    1407

    01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:33,440

    Here, it's still a lot of nice sunny days, but also a lot of rainy days, which I didn't

    1408

    01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:36,480

    know was a thing in Munich.

    1409

    01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:40,960

    That was a little bit disappointing, but okay.

    1410

    01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:44,320

    There's a lot of rainy days here too.

    1411

    01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:49,960

    I mean, everything in that European area can get a bit gloomy.

    1412

    01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:50,960

    Yeah, it depends.

    1413

    01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:56,880

    I think everything south of Austria gets a little bit more sun.

    1414

    01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:57,880

    Yeah.

    1415

    01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,080

    I don't know.

    1416

    01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:05,840

    But I'd miss some mountains around here.

    1417

    01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:09,560

    It's pretty flat around Munich.

    1418

    01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,600

    So I have to drive for like an hour or two to get to the first mountains.

    1419

    01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:18,080

    Nearly when I drive to Innsbruck, which is two hours away, that's where I get the most

    1420

    01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:22,560

    beautiful mountain views.

    1421

    01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:26,320

    But yeah, Germany is an interesting country.

    1422

    01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,240

    Sometimes it's too orderly, unnecessarily orderly.

    1423

    01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:32,520

    Sometimes the order depends on which view.

    1424

    01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:42,200

    But I also have a lot of international friends here, which makes it more colorful, so to

    1425

    01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:48,840

    say, or doesn't make it feel too German.

    1426

    01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:55,120

    Most of my friends are climbers, but also from different countries.

    1427

    01:41:55,120 --> 01:42:02,080

    We all live here for a while and found our ways how to fit into community here, people

    1428

    01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:03,600

    in the lifestyle here.

    1429

    01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:09,360

    So yeah, I feel like I've found a nice way of living here.

    1430

    01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:16,080

    As an American saying that it's a two hour drive to get to Innsbruck is completely insane.

    1431

    01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:19,520

    That's not long at all.

    1432

    01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:20,520

    Yeah.

    1433

    01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:24,320

    For me, a day trip is two, two and a half hours maximum.

    1434

    01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:29,680

    Two and a half is still, I'll think about it if I'll do a day trip.

    1435

    01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:36,520

    So yeah, to Augsburg I have one hour, to Nürnberg I have almost two hours, Innsbruck two hours.

    1436

    01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:37,520

    Geez.

    1437

    01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,240

    Yeah, that's different.

    1438

    01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:45,520

    Switzerland, like Ticino is like four and a half or five hours max.

    1439

    01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,760

    Wow, yeah.

    1440

    01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,640

    And still don't go there enough.

    1441

    01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:59,120

    I did a nine hour drive two days ago to get back from Vegas to San Diego.

    1442

    01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:02,440

    So it shouldn't usually take that long.

    1443

    01:43:02,440 --> 01:43:07,800

    There was just a lot of traffic, but I'm like, I'm broken physically and mentally from that.

    1444

    01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:09,680

    I don't drive to Serbia.

    1445

    01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:13,080

    I can't permit to an 11, 12 hour drive.

    1446

    01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,000

    I cannot do it.

    1447

    01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,120

    It's a lot.

    1448

    01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:19,280

    It's awful.

    1449

    01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:22,200

    So yeah, it's under.

    1450

    01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:23,200

    Yeah.

    1451

    01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:24,200

    Okay.

    1452

    01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:28,120

    This was a comment that someone really needed you to know.

    1453

    01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:33,880

    They said in the 2022 season, you were co-hosting for a lead finals.

    1454

    01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:37,800

    Yonia ended up topping the route before she clipped.

    1455

    01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:43,360

    She waved and you asked her why she waved when you were interviewing her.

    1456

    01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:45,760

    And this person really liked that.

    1457

    01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:52,720

    Oh, okay, because as a friend seeing her do that, I was like, what is wrong with you?

    1458

    01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:56,200

    Clip first, wave second.

    1459

    01:43:56,200 --> 01:44:02,200

    The funny thing is that sometimes I just, Yonia does stupid things sometimes and not

    1460

    01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:06,160

    really stupid, but rather clumsy things.

    1461

    01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:07,400

    She used to be really clumsy.

    1462

    01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:08,400

    Oh really?

    1463

    01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:09,400

    A bit younger.

    1464

    01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:10,400

    Yeah.

    1465

    01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:14,800

    When she falls for boulders, she would really often land on her face.

    1466

    01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:19,880

    I don't know how, but yeah, you've probably seen it in comps.

    1467

    01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:24,200

    And I think she told me recently that she started hearing me in her mind when she's

    1468

    01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:27,080

    about to do something stupid.

    1469

    01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:31,400

    She hears my voice telling her, come on, just do this thing.

    1470

    01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:35,960

    I think it was a bend in like semi-finals and there was like a tricky slab.

    1471

    01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:40,320

    And I watched her and she was hesitating so much on the last move.

    1472

    01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:43,280

    She stood there for, I don't know, maybe 20 seconds.

    1473

    01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,920

    I don't know, or it felt like eternity to me.

    1474

    01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:49,000

    And I just held my head and I was like, what are you doing?

    1475

    01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:50,000

    Just stand up.

    1476

    01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,040

    And she was like trying to go and stop and go.

    1477

    01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:54,800

    And I was holding my head and I wasn't even close to her.

    1478

    01:44:54,800 --> 01:45:00,440

    And after a while I heard your voice in my head telling me, oh, come on, Yonia, just

    1479

    01:45:00,440 --> 01:45:01,440

    stand up.

    1480

    01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:06,760

    I was like, well, I'm proud I'm in your head.

    1481

    01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:08,240

    Such decisive moments.

    1482

    01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:11,840

    Yeah, that means a lot.

    1483

    01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:15,000

    Okay, last question.

    1484

    01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:19,160

    Are there any outdoor boulders and projects that you're currently interested in or working

    1485

    01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:20,160

    on?

    1486

    01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:26,160

    Yes, there is just one that I'm very interested in.

    1487

    01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:34,160

    The others I've kind of lost myself in finding proper projects, so to say, because I also

    1488

    01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:37,320

    haven't spent much time outdoors either.

    1489

    01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:42,220

    And I found only one that really attracts me, but it's also really, really hard.

    1490

    01:45:42,220 --> 01:45:45,120

    So it's a very long, long-term project.

    1491

    01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:49,920

    So it's the Big Island, the 18th Fund.

    1492

    01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:51,840

    Every time I'm in the Fund, I go and play around with it.

    1493

    01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:53,720

    I find it really fun to play around with.

    1494

    01:45:53,720 --> 01:46:01,560

    I'm doing the original beta OG Dave Graham.

    1495

    01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:03,360

    I span it out.

    1496

    01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:08,960

    I still miss one move, but the rest I've basically done and worked on.

    1497

    01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:11,840

    It's just about connecting sequences.

    1498

    01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:16,240

    I've done quite some good progress.

    1499

    01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:21,000

    Now this autumn after Laval, I had one good session there.

    1500

    01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:30,720

    But yeah, other than that, nothing that I've really tried that I've devoted myself to so

    1501

    01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:31,720

    much.

    1502

    01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:37,800

    There's a couple of things in Frankenjura, like the leader with father and son, soft

    1503

    01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:43,520

    HC or like 8B plus HC, which is almost always wet.

    1504

    01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:52,040

    And the hardest part is not to slip off the holds and to kind of over grip.

    1505

    01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:53,960

    And it was really cold when I tried it last time.

    1506

    01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:58,120

    I was too humid, so I didn't manage.

    1507

    01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:01,400

    So yeah, I'd like to do that one.

    1508

    01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:06,200

    Just because the fact that being wet is the crux is just a little bit annoying and I just

    1509

    01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:07,840

    want to get it done.

    1510

    01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:13,600

    It's a nice route, really nice route, but this is like a very unpredictable thing.

    1511

    01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:20,040

    But yeah, these two currently and yeah, there'll be probably maybe more if I start like devoting

    1512

    01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,760

    my time to actual projecting.

    1513

    01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:27,280

    I guess you probably won't have a chance this season before OQS.

    1514

    01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:28,600

    Probably not.

    1515

    01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:36,160

    And I'm honestly also not interested in it.

    1516

    01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:41,520

    I put so much focus on the OQS preparation that I feel like if I go outdoors, it's going

    1517

    01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:44,340

    to feel wrong.

    1518

    01:47:44,340 --> 01:47:48,800

    And so far I've always been the person who needs the balance of both.

    1519

    01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:55,640

    I crave outdoor climbing in nature to be able to train properly afterwards.

    1520

    01:47:55,640 --> 01:48:01,120

    But now, yeah, this is probably the first New Year's that I'm not doing any outdoor

    1521

    01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:02,120

    climbing.

    1522

    01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:05,160

    Like no, I plan no climbing trips.

    1523

    01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:10,840

    Maybe I'll go somewhere for a weekend because Frankenheuer is close and maybe drop by Zillertal

    1524

    01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:11,840

    or something.

    1525

    01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:16,480

    But yeah, that's no trip.

    1526

    01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:17,480

    Yeah.

    1527

    01:48:17,480 --> 01:48:20,040

    I mean, yeah, that makes sense.

    1528

    01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:25,840

    You've got to stay focused on LQS and we want to see you make it to the Olympics.

    1529

    01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:26,840

    Exactly.

    1530

    01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:27,840

    Yeah.

    1531

    01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:28,840

    Okay.

    1532

    01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:30,780

    Well, I think that's all the questions I had.

    1533

    01:48:30,780 --> 01:48:33,240

    Thank you so much for joining me.

    1534

    01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:36,640

    Is there anything you want to shout out or let people know where they can find you?

    1535

    01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:44,120

    Yeah, if you can mostly find me on Instagram, I'm bad with replying, but I think I read

    1536

    01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:46,080

    and open every message.

    1537

    01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:55,400

    So I'm really grateful to everyone who texts and expresses their support in any way.

    1538

    01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:58,680

    So yeah, that's the way to go.

    1539

    01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:02,760

    Other social media platforms I'm not really on.

    1540

    01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:05,600

    So yeah, Instagram is the one I think.

    1541

    01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:06,600

    Okay.

    1542

    01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:07,960

    And I'll leave the link down below.

    1543

    01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:08,960

    All right.

    1544

    01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:09,960

    Well, thank you so much.

    1545

    01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:11,560

    It was amazing to talk to you.

    1546

    01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:13,000

    Yeah, you too, Givi.

    1547

    01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:14,000

    Thanks.

    1548

    01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:15,000

    Those are good questions also.

    1549

    01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:16,000

    Oh, thank you.

    1550

    01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:17,000

    Yes, I try.

    1551

    01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:20,560

    Thank you so much for making it to the end of the podcast.

    1552

    01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:23,160

    Don't forget to like and subscribe if you enjoyed.

    1553

    01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:26,320

    Otherwise you are a super fake climber.

    1554

    01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:30,960

    If you're listening on a podcasting platform, I'd appreciate if you rate it five stars and

    1555

    01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:35,920

    you can continue the discussion on the free competition climbing discord linked in the

    1556

    01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:36,920

    description.

    1557

    01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:46,480

    Thanks again for listening.

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