3: Jonathan Sin, Aspiring Pro Climber

Aug 21

Thanks for tuning into the podcast! You may have seen a couple of Jonathan's viral Youtube videos lately, such as I trained like a pro climber for 6 months, where he opens up about his dream of becoming a professional competition climber and documents his journey of trying to make the Hong Kong national team. His effort is all the more impressive once you find out he only started climbing in 2019 and managed to send v11 after only 2 years.

Show Notes

Guest links:

https://www.instagram.com/jonathan_sin88

https://www.youtube.com/@jonathan_sin88

Reference links:

Youtube video: I Trained Like a Pro Climber for 6 Months

Youtube video: How I Made the National Team (speed)

Timestamps

Timestamps of discussion topics

0:00 - Introduction

0:51 - Gumby to v11 in 2.5 years

3:03 - What is considered "training" for climbing?

3:55 - How did you stay mostly injury free?

7:27 - Hong Kong climbing scene

9:18 - Boulder or lead?

10:22 - Trying to become a pro climber in 6 months

14:49 - Did you have a coach? and my noob training Qs

18:56 - Why don’t you share your training plan?

21:15 - Try outs for the national team

22:42 - How much lead training did you do?

24:56 - How did you perform in lead?

28:20 - How do you rest?

31:46 - Your mental state during the competition?

34:03 - Making the national speed team

38:54 - Is there still hope for the national team in the future?

46:41 - Difference between a “normal” climber and a pro

51:50 - Why do you climb?

56:25 - Discord Q: Experience difference between you and climbers who grew up climbing

58:48 - Discord Q: How did you have the time and money to train?

1:03:46 - Outro, find him on Youtube!

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Hello and welcome to another episode of the That's Not Real Climbing podcast.
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I'm your host Jinni and I'm excited to introduce my guest for today, Jonathan Sin.
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If you're not familiar with his viral videos lately, he's a quote, normal climber trying
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to break into the World Cups and turn pro.
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In this episode, we'll talk about what it's like climbing in Hong Kong, his insane training
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for national team tryouts, and what separates a really good normal climber from a pro climber.
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It was really interesting digging into this story, which was also very personal for him
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to share.
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So I hope you enjoy this conversation with Jonathan.
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Yes, okay, so we'll just get right into it.
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You only started climbing in 2019 when you were 18 years old.
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And I think you said that you climbed your first outdoor V13 after two and a half years
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of climbing.
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Is that right?
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Oh, I think it was like a V11 actually.
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Yeah, that's still a pretty crazy progression.
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How did you manage that?
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Oh, I mainly climbed a lot and then I was doing like training quite quickly, but I think
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I had like a sports background, so it was quite easy for me to pick up sports.
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Also, Hong Kong's climbing scene isn't massive, so it's quite easy to bump into like all the
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other strongest climbers around and learn from them all the time.
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So you think like learning from just like climbing with stronger climbers helped a lot?
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I also like trained quite a bit as well.
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Like after the first year, I got really into like fingerboarding, like campers and stuff.
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But it was very outdoor specific that year.
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And when you said you have a sports background, what kind of sports did you do before that?
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I like skateboarded for like a lot of years and then I did rugby, badminton, cross country.
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I did like quite a lot of stuff, but then I wasn't any good at any of them.
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I guess I didn't have the same passion I did for climbing.
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And so it was good to have like my attention and something that I really enjoy.
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Yeah. What do you feel like made the difference for you between like climbing versus all the
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other sports that you didn't have the passion for?
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I think I enjoy doing all the other sports, but like when you think about like training,
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I never enjoyed those moments.
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It's always very boring and just exhausting.
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But in climbing, I think I enjoy every single aspect of it.
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Like even the training bit is just as enjoying as the actual climbing.
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And there's just so much to it as well.
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Like there's the outdoor climbing, indoors, even just within outdoor climbing,
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there's so many different styles.
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It just feels like I never get sick of it and there's always something new to learn
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and something new to explore, which is very exciting.
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Yeah. I wouldn't say a lot of people say they like the training part of climbing.
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By training, does that mean to you just like strength training or also do you count like drills and stuff like that?
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I would count like drills and stuff as training as well.
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Like to me, training is when you have an intention for your climbing.
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So even if I'm just going for climbing session, I consider it as training as well, as long as
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the mindset for the day was I'm going to get in there and get better.
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To me, that is training already.
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But of course, there's also like the physical training.
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Like I call it conditioning all the time.
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So I just, if you just do weight or like fingerboarding or other exercises, I'll call that conditioning.
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But no, to me, training is anything climbing related always.
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And so with all your training, did you encounter any injuries while you were going through your progression so quickly?
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I actually did get injured like very early on.
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So around like three months in, my fingers starting swelling up and they were like so painful.
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I think this was like, this is something like most beginners go through.
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They just get into it too quickly.
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I think especially for like most people, even people like coach, like if they have a sports background,
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it's quite easy for the body to adapt to the climate.
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But then the tendons aren't ready yet, even if like the rest of their body are like physically, they're very strong.
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But then tendons just take a longer time to develop.
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And I think I had like that same problem.
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And then, oh, my fingers started hurting so bad.
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I couldn't climb.
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Like I think I got injured around three months.
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Like I suffered on for another three and I was like, it's time to take a break.
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And that took like three months.
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It's time to take a break and I took like a three months break and then go back into it.
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Oh, that's a pretty long break.
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I took a break and like I still climbed, but I was very controlled about my climbing.
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So no crimps at all on the really open-handed climbing and like nothing too powerful.
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And then I was like doing my finger rehab, nod stop.
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So it wasn't no climbing at all, but it was very controlled climbing.
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Okay.
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But you never, was it like a poly injury or did you, was it just like synobitis?
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I think it's inflammation in the joints.
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It wasn't a fully rupture, anything like that.
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But all the joints were just very painful.
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I couldn't even sleep a lot of times.
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So like I wake up with like tears in my eyes with my joints hurting like a bit too bad.
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Yeah, I was pretty glad.
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Oh my gosh.
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That's pretty extreme.
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I've definitely had like joint pain, but not to the point where I couldn't sleep from it.
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So, huh.
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I'm not sure what that is.
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So other than that finger pain, injury, swelling, no other injuries?
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Oh, wow.
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I guess maybe like from your sports background, you kind of knew how to
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manage the other parts of your body so that you didn't get injured.
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I think it's weird to think about it, but I think it's actually a good thing to get injured so early
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on into my climbing just because now that I've gotten injured, I know how to prevent it.
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Or at least I'll find ways to prevent it to the best of my abilities.
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Just because I know what you're missing out when you stop climbing.
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It really sucks when you go into climbing gym while your friends are trying hard and just like
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the other side, no, swing around and jog.
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You can't really do much.
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Can't try hard.
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Yeah.
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So I was a lot more careful whenever I feel like a bit of a tweak on anything.
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And I would just slow it down and everything.
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That's good.
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I think, I mean, I think even a lot of people who have gotten injured before struggle with
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not getting injured again, just because I don't know, excitement of the moment.
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Not something I've dealt with too much, but, and I guess you haven't either.
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So I'll have to ask someone who has gotten injured a bunch.
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So climbing scene in, you're in Hong Kong, right?
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Yep.
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Okay.
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So yeah, what's the climbing scene like there?
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I don't think we hear too much about it.
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I think it's not to, it's not like very represented as a country and like
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the world cups or there's not many videos about it.
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So can you kind of give us an idea of what it's like?
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So it's not the biggest of climbing scenes, but it's definitely a growing sport in Hong Kong.
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There's been over like 15 gyms opening in the past year or two.
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And they're around 30 ish gyms in Hong Kong at the moment.
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And it's awesome.
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Now there aren't too many people climbing.
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I love beginners, but everyone's climbing.
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Beginners, but everyone who's in it are really passionate.
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The other scenes is really good as well.
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There's a lot of boulders, like there are only like a few people who do developing.
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So not too many, but definitely more than enough for most people.
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It's a cool place to do outdoor climbing just because
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if you do sport climbing here, there are cracks or you can have like the city as
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there's got in the background, which is like really cool thing.
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You know, the whole city as the backdrop, you would never get that anywhere else.
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I don't think.
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And it's really close by to the city as well because
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Hong Kong's nature is very immersed into the city, I guess.
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Like there'll be mountains and buildings right next to each other all the time.
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And yeah, it's a great place to climb, I think.
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Yeah, that's pretty cool.
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Is it more bouldering or lead climbing?
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There's a bit of both.
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It's like pretty even split.
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I think personally I've done more bouldering than sport climbing, but I like both.
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You don't, do you have a preference?
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I feel like you show a lot of bouldering, but I'm not sure if that's just because
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it's like easier or because you prefer it.
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I think it was just easier to start doing when I began climbing.
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Experience in Hong Kong doesn't have any lead gyms or anything like that.
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I just thought I wouldn't divert my focus too much.
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I just want to dig into one side of things and get better at it.
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I think at first I was really scared of sport climbing.
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Really like leading and stuff was like quite scary to me, but I put some time into like
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getting more comfortable with it.
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And I actually really enjoy it for the past two years.
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Like I don't do that often, but one day I'll have a great time just having that time to do it.
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Yeah.
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You think you're going to get more into it one day or you're going to stay?
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Yeah, I think so.
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I think so, especially like the outdoor stuff in Hong Kong that I want to do.
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Like whatever I want to do next is probably going to be sport climbing and not bouldering.
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You want to get that city backdrop in your photo.
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I get it.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So speaking of the climbing scene in Hong Kong, let's get into the story of your dream
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that you shared in your video.
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So yeah, for those who haven't watched the video yet, I'll link it in the description
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or the show notes first.
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So pause it, watch or pause this, watch that video, then come back so you know the full story.
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So can you give a brief overview of what your goal was and what you did to try and accomplish it?
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So my goal was to get on to the national team for Hong Kong and maybe compete for the
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World Championships.
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To train for it, I trained not non-stop, but I used six months to have a really detailed
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training plan, really stuck to it and then try my best to get on to the team at the end
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of the six months, which we had like the national team selection.
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That was the ball event and the league events.
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I did six days of training a week.
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Of course, there were rest days.
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And I had maybe five, five of those six days, I would have like double sessions.
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And it was all like really detailed and planned out.
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It wasn't just going in like, oh, I'll climb as much as I can.
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But everything was like planned out.
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I had an intention for all my sessions.
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I was talking to like some coaching friends who helped me out as well.
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So first of all, you said six days a week.
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And you said that you have rest days, but there are only seven days a week.
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So how do you have rest days?
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So I rested on like the seventh day, which I coach in the gym.
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Some might not consider that as a resting, but yeah, I spend every day in the gym.
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So I was doing like my training as like periods.
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So every like two months, I will have like a month break and, you know, take a
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few more days off just because the periodization of training and stuff.
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But other than that, yeah, it was like once a week, I'll have rest day.
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Yikes.
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Okay.
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Can you explain the periodization of training stuff for people who may not be aware?
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So like for different focuses, I call them.
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Uh, let's say if I have like really intense power phase at first, for me, it lasted
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around eight weeks to 10 weeks.
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I gotta look back to my notes to see what I actually did.
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But, uh, I think for like a training period around 10, 12 weeks or eight weeks,
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it's like, depending on person and what you're training, like the training
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numbers sort of plateaus little, and then it's a good time to switch the stimulus
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and train something else, at least from my research as what works.
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And then it's good to switch things up every now and then, not doing the same
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thing all the time because your body get used to the exercises as well as like
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training load, so you don't gain too much more if you do the same thing.
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And since I've like, I see myself doing a lot of training, I'm not doing
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like, I see myself as someone who has like a lot of weaknesses.
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So I'll be trying different stuff and then training different aspects of my
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climbing.
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And you said that you had some friends who were coaches, but you didn't have
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like a dedicated coach for your program?
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No, so I have some friends who like work as coaches and then I've like
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consultated with them and then I show them my training plan, they give me
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some pointers and stuff, but no, I don't have a dedicated coach because I
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really would like one, but then Hong Kong doesn't have any coaches of that
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sort.
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And on like my part-time in climbing, it was like quite difficult to get the
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kind of coach I want as well because for comp climbing, it's just so specific
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and you got to have like really good knowledge, I think, to excel in comp
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climbing, especially for the level I wanted to get at, I think.
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I know, so I didn't have a coach.
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Well, it is super impressive that you managed to write up your own training
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plan and that it worked out pretty well for you.
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This is okay.
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Well, I guess kind of something I'm personally wondering because this is my
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first time doing like a strength training session and I am so like I've
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never worked out before in my life.
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So this is like so new to me and I did like a workout for the first time and
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I was so sore and I am still so sore like almost every single time I do it.
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And so I have to take like about two or three rest days before I start to feel
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not sore again.
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Does that not happen to you?
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No, I definitely feel sore, but I don't know.
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Climb through it.
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I climbed through it, but then I think that would waste to prevent getting
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completely destroyed every time.
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Like, because I don't see my training as like a very short term thing, right?
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Because I know if I destroy myself on day one, it will affect my training for the rest.
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I'm aiming for the long term when I train or like still when I train or when I climb.
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Let's say like an easy example would be like skin, right?
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If you go so hard on day one that you're going through your tips and you're
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bleeding, that's no way you can try hard again the next few days, at least for
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like three, four days for me.
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Right.
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Unless you tape and stuff and you don't climb as well.
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And to me, that's the same with physical training.
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If you completely destroy yourself on day one, the rest of your week is all messed up.
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So I rather have a lighter session.
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Then I can continue training for the next few days and do it consistently.
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Because I find consistency is way more important than just having one super
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intense session or like even if you talk about like training periods, if I go super
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hard for a week and then I gotta, the motivation goes lower because I'm so sore and I'm so
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destroyed, there's no point to it if you can't stick to it.
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So personally, I'd rather have the consistency than like an insane intensity or at
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least like to the level where it's manageable personally.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, you said that you were going, I mean, you were going almost every day.
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Was there a way for you to, I guess, like train different parts of your body so that
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you weren't completely destroyed and constantly in like a state of being under recovered?
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Well, so just like people who would do like a normal gym session, right?
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They'll split their workouts into like, Oh, upper body, push day, back, push day and pull
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day, like, and then you do a leg day and then you have rest day core.
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Like you can do it in splits like that, but for me, the climbing will slip into different
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aspects of climbing.
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So let's say I do like a three day split usually, day one will be power and the highest
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intensity stuff.
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So right after rest day, I'll again see the most high intensity workouts and climbs on
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that day.
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Uh, day two, I'll focus more on volume.
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So I'll climb a lot more at a lower intensity, but working on other skills.
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Right?
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So day one is a lot about pushing the limit.
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Day two is about getting fitter.
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And for my day three, I usually do either jumps or volume or I'll do slabs or maybe
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some circuits.
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So day one is the most intense.
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Day two volume, day three is technique work or just some sort of resting for the body,
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but you're still learning and technique stuff.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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Um, and so, yeah, that's sort of sounds a little bit like your, um, personal training
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plan.
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Um, I know a lot of people ask about your personal training plan.
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Um, but you don't, you mentioned that you don't exactly give that out too much.
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Um, do you want to explain that?
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Yeah, just because my, like my own training plan, I think is, was very specific to me
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and tailor made to my own weaknesses.
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So it's very nice.
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I love you are interested.
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I really appreciate it.
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And like, I guess a lot of people want to get better together.
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Um, I love it.
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I love the excitement people have for their own progression and stuff.
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But yeah, I don't really give out my own training plans.
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Like I thought about including that in the video, but I only include the major principles
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I had.
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And I think those alone, if people were to make their own training plans, I think
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their own training plans, I would just go according to those principles.
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And the details I had don't matter quite as much to me because the plan was made for
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my weaknesses.
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Hey, cause I have those specific training workouts because I'm, let's say my fingers
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are weak for like a lot.
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When I do like longer duration hangs, I can have a really high load.
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If I do seven second intensity hang rather, but then I have a really quick drop off
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after 10 seconds.
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So to me, it was more important to train a longer hang rather than a very short intense
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one.
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Just like small specifics like that.
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I don't think it applies to everyone.
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And if I don't know the other person's training background or like what level
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they are at, as well as their own style, I hesitate to give out anything that might
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get them injured or maybe just isn't the most efficient way.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that definitely makes sense.
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I think it's very, training can be like very personal or not can be.
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I think it like should be.
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So yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense to me.
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Okay.
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So going back to the actual competition and your team trials, walk me through the
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process of signing up for team selection.
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Was it just as simple as signing up for that one?
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I guess like trial competition, or do you have to like perform at a certain level at
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previous competitions going into it?
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What's it like there?
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So in Hong Kong, there isn't much of a barrier to entry.
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Like if you want to trial for the team, you just have to sign up.
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They do require for the boys team, I think they require like you to climb outdoor V7
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and 7C, I think.
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They make you write it on the paper, but I don't think that means much to be honest.
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A lot of people just write it anyways.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they start, but then yeah, no, there's no barriers to entry.
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You can just sign up and then you can do the comps.
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Yeah.
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I guess is it maybe they just haven't like developed a super like rigorous program for
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it, or is there just not as much interest?
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I think that's both.
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Like there's definitely quite a bit of interest.
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Quite a lot of people tried out.
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But then the system, like the sport climbing organization stuff, there just isn't too much
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stuff.
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Like people who do it are like quite dedicated to help out, but there isn't too much of a
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support or anything like that.
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So there's a lot of resources and all that.
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So yeah, they're just the comp and that's it.
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And in your video, you showed a lot of boulder preparation.
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You didn't so much show the lead portion of it.
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What was your lead training like?
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Like how often did you practice lead climbing?
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And then was it like a combined score at the end?
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So yeah, it was like a combined format.
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They add up the points from two comps.
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So we have the boulder selection first and then a month later, actually more than a month
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later, then we'll have the lead.
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So in my training, like I said, I separated my training into different parts before I had
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different periods.
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So for period one, it was volume based.
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It was very much just trying to get fit, do a lot of reps, but then not too intense.
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Second period is starting to wrap up the intensity because the end of that is the boulder selections.
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For the third period, it's a lot about getting endurance and power endurance.
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So I had around six weeks before the lead selection and that's after the boulder selections.
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I did around three days of lead a week.
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I didn't show that too much in the video just because I thought what I showed was enough
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to show how much work I was doing already and I didn't think that was like, in the videos
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I had of my lead climbing was just really blurry.
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So I didn't include that, but yeah, I did do quite a lot for lead as well.
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That's what made it hurt more, I guess, at the end when I couldn't perform.
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But no, I trained three days lead a week and then I just saw a really good progression
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as well, because as I told you, I'm not really a lead climber.
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But I think I was at the lead gym, I was struggling to climb a 7C to start with, maybe even 7B.
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And then by the end of the six weeks, I was climbing three in a row and that made quite
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a big difference, I think.
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So going into it physically for a lead comp, I thought I was very ready.
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So yeah.
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How did you end up doing in the lead portion?
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Uh, horrendous.
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Absolutely horrendous.
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So for qualification, we had two climbs.
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I did okay on one, I guess.
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Like I managed to try hard and fail because I was pumped.
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But the first one was just the one that hurt the most was the beginning section was just
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a jug hole, I think.
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It was like very easy climbing.
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But then once you get by the headwall, suddenly it gets quite hard.
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And I had like a small, I remember like distinctly right before the hard section, which the cold
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solid became much worse.
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I had like a small break and was like resting, shaking out.
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And then the first hold I grabbed, my hand just like let go of something.
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I don't know.
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I really don't know what happened.
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I think my whole body was so soft.
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I was like, I just didn't know what happened.
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I was just like peeled off, didn't try hard, came down with like no pump at all.
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Oh.
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Yeah, it was weird.
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My body just like gave out like somehow.
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Yeah, it was very weird just the moment.
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Wasn't like a slip or anything?
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No, don't think so.
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I think I hit the hole and everything just couldn't engage in the thing.
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Yeah, I think I was laughing when I came down just because it was so, I think it was funny
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in some sense.
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So like I don't know if it's working.
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That's what I have to show.
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But yeah, I think it was more like a painful laugh.
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Yeah, I guess at that point, did you kind of already know that you weren't going to
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make it on the team?
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Yeah, I think so.
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Because I think the score to get into semis was, semis finals was quite high.
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So I knew if I messed up the first one, I had to basically top out the other one,
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which no one has topped yet, I think.
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Or at least I knew it was going to be a lot harder than the easy one.
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So I didn't have much hope.
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Oh, that's a shame.
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Okay.
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And you said that the lead competition was a month after the bouldering one?
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Yep.
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Oh, okay.
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Do you think that is kind of not a great way of going about it?
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Because at like the World Cups and stuff, it's kind of like one day after the other,
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no rest.
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No rest. That's not my choice, right? But I think if you consider yourself as an athlete,
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or like what I admire most about like the boulders I follow or like the climbers I follow,
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is that they can perform at any time, whatever discipline it is.
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So if you're given a plan or given the day to perform, you just do it according to that.
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It's out of my control when the cop is going to be.
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What I can do is prepare for it to the best of my abilities.
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And of course, people complain about the date of climbing being so far apart,
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two disciplines, all that and all that.
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But to me, it's like everyone faces the same circumstances.
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You just try your best.
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Okay. So actually going into the comp, what does your rest sort of look like
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before competition day?
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So I actually start tapering around a week and a half, two weeks out.
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I start lowering the volume a lot. I'll take out a lot of physical conditioning.
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I'll just leave in the most intense ones to keep the intensity at a really high level,
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but then take out a lot of volume.
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So I'll do maybe half the sets of certain things, some things I'll completely take out.
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Just focus on climbing, have way shorter sessions,
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just my body is sharp in that sense.
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I know how to try hard, but I'm not destroying myself.
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Like really slowly taping my body and be fully ready at the comp.
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And so are you like climbing?
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Do you just like completely stop climbing before the competition?
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I know some people do like a full day of rest or full two days of rest.
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So what I kept in was my maximum days.
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So I kept the max finger boarding at least up to like a week before the comp.
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I kept my max finger boarding and max pull ups and like some swaps and all that.
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But really just do like one or two sets, like really low volume compared to like
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what I was training before.
455
00:29:47,860 --> 00:29:51,860
Climbing was doing maybe two to three days in general for like the six.
456
00:29:51,860 --> 00:29:55,300
Just have a lot more rest and then get good sleep and all that.
457
00:29:55,300 --> 00:30:03,300
And so then during the actual competition, I guess not just at this competition,
458
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:06,740
but any other ones that you did for preparation.
459
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:12,180
Where are you mentally during the competitions?
460
00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:17,220
Like, are you freaking out or do you find some way to kind of get yourself under control?
461
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:20,340
I was all over the place.
462
00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:26,580
I haven't had much competition experience before the last season, like this year, really.
463
00:30:26,580 --> 00:30:31,220
Just because of COVID and Hong Kong has had too many comps.
464
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:36,340
I've had some, but there were very few and far between and like the quality of competitions.
465
00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:37,620
Also like they've had a lot.
466
00:30:37,620 --> 00:30:42,900
So it was the most packed season I've had ever.
467
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:47,620
So I think in the beginning of season, I was like really freaking out.
468
00:30:47,620 --> 00:30:52,980
I was like, I couldn't climb my best at all and the timing of stuff, warming up and the
469
00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:56,980
whole process of going to a comp was all a mess.
470
00:30:56,980 --> 00:31:01,140
But I think by the end of season, I was like, personally, I think the mindset for climbing
471
00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:01,860
is very different.
472
00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:06,820
Some people go into it with the mindset of like, I'm going to destroy everybody and extremely
473
00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:09,540
confident I'm going to top all the balls.
474
00:31:09,540 --> 00:31:15,940
But for me, it's more, if I enjoy the climb more and think less about it, I'm going to
475
00:31:15,940 --> 00:31:20,740
enjoy the climb more and think less about the result or like others.
476
00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:22,980
To me, I perform better.
477
00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:25,060
Like that's just for me.
478
00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:31,140
Like I think competition mindset or like just mindset in climbing is very individual.
479
00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:33,060
It works differently for everybody.
480
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:36,420
For me, if I enjoy it, don't think about the result too much.
481
00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:39,540
I tend to perform the best, which is kind of funny.
482
00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:41,540
It's like you always want to win in the comp.
483
00:31:41,540 --> 00:31:45,860
But for me, if I don't think about the win, then I'm not winning and something like that.
484
00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:48,020
So it's quite funny in that sense.
485
00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:55,380
Did you manage to get into that just have fun mindset when you were doing the team trials
486
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:56,100
or were you-
487
00:31:56,740 --> 00:32:04,820
Actually, yeah, like the Boulder selections was one of the best comic-comic things I had.
488
00:32:05,620 --> 00:32:11,060
I think to me, what it means to have a good performance if you try really hard and manage
489
00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:12,980
to show what you've got, right?
490
00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:18,900
Like how many boulders are top at the end, to me almost doesn't matter.
491
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:19,860
Like of course it does.
492
00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:26,260
But to me, like a true sign that my training work was I could really try my best on the
493
00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:26,660
Boulder.
494
00:32:26,660 --> 00:32:31,460
If my ability isn't there, it isn't there, but I'm there to test myself, right?
495
00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:35,300
If I can pull my best level out there, that's really good to me.
496
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:40,020
I did have like a slight mistake, which cost me like four or five places.
497
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:43,060
But I enjoyed climbing so much and it was so much fun.
498
00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:43,700
Awesome.
499
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:46,820
So what did you end up placing in the end?
500
00:32:46,820 --> 00:32:50,900
I was 12th at the end, for the combined.
501
00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:56,580
And then they took eight or nine, I think.
502
00:32:56,580 --> 00:32:57,060
Yeah.
503
00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:58,580
Yeah, that's not bad at all.
504
00:32:58,580 --> 00:33:03,860
Was it just like qualifiers or you were also in semis?
505
00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:13,780
Semis? So our board selection had no, had only one round of comp.
506
00:33:13,780 --> 00:33:17,380
So we had one round of comp versus rotation comp.
507
00:33:17,380 --> 00:33:20,660
We had six boulders, five minutes each.
508
00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:24,020
And then your result is just based on that.
509
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:28,660
The lead, we had qualifiers and then straight to finals.
510
00:33:29,380 --> 00:33:33,060
So not the most established comp ever.
511
00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:38,340
But I think the right people got in and the right people ended up representing the team.
512
00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:41,940
And I think it was right.
513
00:33:41,940 --> 00:33:47,700
I think if you look at a team, I'm not at the level where I need to be.
514
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:51,780
And the people who are the best are at the top.
515
00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:55,620
So in that sense, I think the comp worked out.
516
00:33:55,620 --> 00:34:02,180
It's not the most traditional comp and definitely not the most comprehensive stuff.
517
00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:04,180
But I think it was fine.
518
00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:06,740
Well, you'll have more chances eventually.
519
00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:14,180
And so one thing that I think you did make it in for, I'm not entirely sure.
520
00:34:15,140 --> 00:34:17,780
You do some speed climbing, right?
521
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:18,900
Yeah.
522
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:23,780
So maybe in the middle of that six month training block I had, they had a speed team selection.
523
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:27,780
And I guess, you know, I was doing so much physical training.
524
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:30,740
I was, my body was quite ready for that.
525
00:34:30,740 --> 00:34:37,540
And the speed training, I'm not sure how it works in our teams, but in Hong Kong, our team had like
526
00:34:39,380 --> 00:34:43,780
a certain portion of the selection to be like just physical training.
527
00:34:43,780 --> 00:34:48,980
I guess the physical elements of speed climbing is very important as well.
528
00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:55,540
So doing weight to like testing, I guess, just lifting weights and stuff was like part of the test.
529
00:34:55,540 --> 00:34:56,820
And that did quite well on that.
530
00:34:56,820 --> 00:35:02,820
I guess it's a combination of that and that the coaches saw that I had hope, maybe.
531
00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:05,380
The potentials in these speed climbing.
532
00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:09,780
So they let me into the team and yeah, now I'm on the team for speed climbing.
533
00:35:10,580 --> 00:35:11,300
Oh, okay.
534
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:13,380
So, well, congrats.
535
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,500
What do you do for that?
536
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:19,460
Like, do you travel around as part of the national team?
537
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:22,100
No.
538
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:31,220
So supposedly we're supposed to have a comp in September where we have Asian champs or Asian comp.
539
00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:37,300
One of the big comps, it would be like my first IFSC comp, but then there's something went wrong
540
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:40,740
with the sign-up process within the team, some bureaucracy stuff.
541
00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:42,820
So now we're not going.
542
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:43,220
Oh no.
543
00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:47,300
But in the future, I'll be going to some comps for sure.
544
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:48,760
Okay.
545
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,840
Just like within Asia or like world level?
546
00:35:52,840 --> 00:36:01,240
I think it will depend on my ranking in the next team trials or that they will have like periods
547
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:05,320
where they test you and they just change your ranking every now and then.
548
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,840
They have like a, they will have like a simulate comp within the team,
549
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,640
just to determine the ranking and who goes to comps.
550
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,320
So that would be horrible.
551
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,880
But I just want to say like, so technically if my goal was getting national team,
552
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:24,760
I sort of made it, but it's different because the Boulder team,
553
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,800
Boulder league team is separate to the speed team.
554
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:34,280
And my goal, when I sent out my goal, it wasn't getting to speed at all.
555
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,560
That wasn't even an option.
556
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:42,920
So I don't think I counted that as, no, making my dream happen.
557
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:48,120
It's just the circumstances just happens to fall that way.
558
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:53,960
And if it's not something I really worked hard for, I don't think it matters quite as much.
559
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,120
At least to me, that's not what my end goal was.
560
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,400
It just so happens.
561
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,600
I was, I almost considered it was just luck, right?
562
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,360
I lost to me.
563
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:10,600
So I wasn't, I didn't count that as, you know, making my goal happen.
564
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,480
Yeah, I think that makes sense.
565
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,800
I mean, it's not really the thing you set out to do, but it happened anyway.
566
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,760
But I mean, I wouldn't say it's fully luck.
567
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:28,840
Like they, I mean, they must have seen your climbing and decided that you would at least
568
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,240
be decent enough for the speed team.
569
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,560
It's not like they take anyone.
570
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:34,920
Yeah.
571
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,560
I guess like I was good enough to do it just because of my training in
572
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,960
bordering and lead just because I was doing so much training and like my style as well
573
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,360
is quite dynamic and explosive.
574
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,000
So I guess that fit into it as well.
575
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,480
But yeah, I don't know.
576
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,760
I'll try hard on it.
577
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,200
I really appreciate the opportunity.
578
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,000
We've been trying our best to train, but that's all a mess as well.
579
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,160
Um, yeah.
580
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:01,640
How so?
581
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,520
We only have like a day training a week.
582
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,760
Like they've only assigned one day of training and there aren't any indoor
583
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,160
walls to do speed climbing in Holocaust.
584
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,640
And to use the auto belay system, you got to have like teams approval and using
585
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,960
a lot of timers and stuff, unless they have like the big sign off from the team.
586
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,160
You can't use any of this stuff.
587
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:26,040
You can do like your top row with a mate to pull you up the speed wall, but
588
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,720
it just doesn't work if you want to have proper training session.
589
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,440
So it's been a bit annoying, but hopefully that will improve soon.
590
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,240
I've never considered top roping a speed route.
591
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:43,240
I feel like that could almost be more dangerous, a lot more dangerous.
592
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:43,720
It works.
593
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:45,240
It's just very slow and.
594
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,440
It works when you're really figuring the beginning moves, but if you get
595
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,000
getting anywhere to like, if you want to improve properly, it's not the way.
596
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,160
Yeah, makes sense.
597
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,080
Okay.
598
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:09,240
So at the end of your video, you kind of made it sound like you were giving up
599
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:15,880
on your dream and you kind of made it sound like you think that it's actually
600
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,880
kind of a crazy dream to begin with.
601
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:26,680
But I think from a viewer's perspective, it looks like you got really far and
602
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,320
you're still pretty young and there's selection again in two years.
603
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,760
So are you still feeling that way?
604
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,680
Like you still feel like it's, it was just a dream and that it's not
605
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,120
actually something you can accomplish.
606
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:47,480
Well, the whole thing about the training for six months, why, why the reason why
607
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:53,000
it was different from what I had done before, like I was training a lot already.
608
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:53,240
Right?
609
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,520
Like I said, like a few years ago, I was like climbing quite hard.
610
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,520
I was quite outdoors and I really tried my best to train for that.
611
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,000
But then it was different because it was not a consistent training and I had like
612
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:13,320
school in between, so there was quite a lot of distractions, but like for the
613
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,440
past few months, like not all of the last six months, but like for the majority of
614
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:25,000
majority of it, I finished uni and I really dedicated a lot of time to climbing
615
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,960
and training and I think for the level I want to be at, especially people at the
616
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,320
top, they're definitely training full time.
617
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,040
Especially if I'm like so far behind, I started so much laces and most people
618
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:44,440
who are at that level, I think it'll be, it is quite crazy to think that I can
619
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,960
catch up, I think.
620
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:52,840
Like I've done quite well, I think in terms of how far I've come and how
621
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,880
my goal I am, but it's just that I'm not sure.
622
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,600
I've been trying to figure it out for the past few months.
623
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,560
It's just that I've been working more now.
624
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:09,320
I've been had quite the same time to train, whereas like the pros, right?
625
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,680
They're amping up their training because of Olympics and all the rounds of
626
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:22,200
punks and especially if the team trials in two years, I just don't know if it's
627
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,120
realistic to go for it again.
628
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:30,040
In my head, I definitely want to, but I don't know, I've been struggling a bit
629
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,320
in the head to think that I could reach it.
630
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:35,240
Yeah.
631
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,040
Yeah.
632
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,160
By work, do you just mean the coaching stuff or do you also have like a different-
633
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,240
So I do coaching at the moment, that's like my main income.
634
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,880
That's doing okay at the moment.
635
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:54,440
I'm not sure if it's going to be quite enough for the kind of income I want to
636
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,240
have, but for now it's okay.
637
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:02,920
So I can still continue training if I choose to, but I haven't been training
638
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,040
much since the team selections.
639
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:11,720
I've been climbing a lot still, but definitely nice focus and intentional
640
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:12,520
with my climbing.
641
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,280
Well, that's a bit of a shame to hear.
642
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:14,920
We'll see.
643
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:22,760
I think whatever nationals coming up in September, it'll be the first, like,
644
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,200
it'll be like one of the big comps we have of the season.
645
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,640
I'll see how I do that.
646
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,800
I've been having like different first two climbing than what I had before.
647
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:33,960
So we'll see.
648
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,120
I think it would determine how much I enjoy the comp really.
649
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,440
If I can really enjoy or have fun.
650
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,960
I think why not go for it again closer than ever.
651
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,720
But I think after all that, like a small break was necessary for me.
652
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,680
I feel like this might not be the same for everyone because to be honest, like
653
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,920
training for 6 months isn't that much, right?
654
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,080
People have been dedicated their lives to it.
655
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,720
Like it's not easy to think that just from six months of training, I can
656
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:10,120
catch up really, but I just, to me, I just want to see how close I can get.
657
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:17,000
And I really enjoyed pursuing it and everything about it was really enjoyable.
658
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:24,600
Of course, the result sucked at the end, but, um, I think I proved to myself that
659
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,480
I have a fighting chance if I have the time.
660
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,160
So it depends in the season.
661
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:37,160
If I have the time, so it depends in the next few months, where I can figure out
662
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,200
a schedule that works for all the training to fit in.
663
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,000
Um, I'm going to try my best to find a coach as well.
664
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,000
Um, I like an afforded one with my own coaching.
665
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,800
So it's, it's a funny concept that I'm a coach, but then I'm looking for a coach as well.
666
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:59,160
But I think everyone needs one, just someone to be more objective and someone
667
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,400
who can judge your climbing from like a different point of view.
668
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:07,880
You're always a bit subjective of yourself and you're not seeing everything when you're
669
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,640
looking at your own training plans.
670
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:15,640
And to me, like for the next level of climbing, I really would like someone to help me out.
671
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:16,920
Yeah.
672
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:17,800
Yeah, definitely.
673
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,040
Um, but yeah, I mean, you still have time.
674
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,560
You're still pretty young.
675
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,640
Um, it's not like you're actively getting worse at climbing, so
676
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:34,200
still doing pretty well and you can maybe just take it a little bit slower and still
677
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,800
improve and get to that level.
678
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,920
I think I've been climbing really well recently.
679
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,240
It's quite nice, I guess, on a training game from those six months is still here.
680
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:43,880
Yeah, exactly.
681
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:50,760
So I've been doing less, but I'm climbing quite a bit harder than a few months ago, actually.
682
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,720
It's quite nice to, you know, feel stuff.
683
00:44:53,720 --> 00:45:01,240
Um, I also went to Japan after the team selections and it was cool to see how a lot of like strong
684
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:02,120
level training there.
685
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:08,920
And I've been to UK where physical training is a massive part of the training.
686
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,600
You know, doing four or five days of conditional week is very common for most people.
687
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:20,760
Even at the non-pro level, you know, it's just a massive part of climbing there.
688
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,160
But in Japan, it's very different.
689
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,240
It's a completely different approach.
690
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:31,240
They have much more climbing sessions and fairly little physical training.
691
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:37,960
If they have any, it'll be like stuff with very light weights just to like keep the body healthy.
692
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,000
But it'll be very little training compared to anywhere else in the world.
693
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,720
So in my head, I'm doing enough.
694
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,240
I'm doing my climbing in the Japanese way of it, you know, just think about climbing,
695
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:56,840
just the climbing portion, a lot more work on your technique and your movements have
696
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,040
a lot more focus for that.
697
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,080
It's not like I did them before, but I think it's just allowing it more time,
698
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,560
giving it more space to develop.
699
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,960
That's what works for me at the moment.
700
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,560
I'm not sure if some people will call this lazy.
701
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,200
I'm still climbing like five days a week, I guess, but it's just different.
702
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,440
I think I'm going into it with different mindset.
703
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,360
Less pressure as well, enjoy the climbing more.
704
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,400
Yeah, that's what I've been doing for the past few months after the selections.
705
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,840
No, I mean, that totally makes sense.
706
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,240
I think that's what most people do.
707
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:38,600
But yeah, I mean, you said that you're feeling better and you're climbing now than even before.
708
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,400
And before you weren't that far off, only four places, four places.
709
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,920
Yeah, only four places off.
710
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,960
So you might still have a good shot.
711
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:54,120
You mentioned that there was still quite a difference between, I guess, like a normal
712
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,640
climber where you are now and like a pro climber.
713
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,000
What do you think that difference is and what more do you think you need to get there?
714
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,560
Well, in terms of level, where the pro are, are definitely a step up from where I am.
715
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:16,280
I think if you just look at like the level, if you go to a commercial gym,
716
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,400
the pro climbers will flash everything, basically.
717
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,480
Even on the hardest grade, it will take them a handful of temps and that's it.
718
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:29,880
For me, I still, it doesn't matter where I go, like especially Japan, I'll struggle a lot more there.
719
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:30,380
Sure.
720
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,120
But yeah, if you just look at that, I'm not at a level where I need to be yet.
721
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,280
And I'm making a lot of like amateur mistakes on the wall still.
722
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:47,880
Like, and these mistakes might not look apparent to a lot of people, but when I hesitate on the wall,
723
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,280
like even when I video myself, I, I, I, it doesn't show on the video.
724
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,840
But I know in my mind, I hesitated, I thought too much of that, maybe I'm not wasting energy.
725
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:03,720
Just like really small details is what's separating me from where I want to be, I think.
726
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:09,800
Also like mindset is the main thing, I reckon.
727
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:16,680
Just being able to like perform even when you're really scared on the pressure, you know,
728
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:22,360
still extracting a lot from your best climbing when you're not feeling your best.
729
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:24,840
That's what separates the best.
730
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,080
When I'm stressed and I'm stressed out in a climb, when I'm scared and calm,
731
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:35,240
I climb horrible, but let's say I would drop to like a 60% level,
732
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:38,840
whereas maybe for the pros, they would drop 5%, 10%.
733
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,000
It's still a really high level.
734
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,200
And I think that's the main difference being how much you can extract from your best climbing
735
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,440
when you have to perform.
736
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:49,880
It's the best.
737
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:50,440
Yeah.
738
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,840
I think if just talking career climbing level, I'm, I'm not saying that I'm not going to be
739
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,480
just talking career climbing level, I'm kind of close.
740
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,360
It's hard to tell because comp climbing, you don't have a grade to it.
741
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,560
And if you just look at numbers, V11s, nothing compared to what the pros are climbing.
742
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,120
But personally, I'm quite helpful, you know?
743
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:19,000
I've been trying to hide outdoors for like a few years now.
744
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,560
And just because there isn't anything that I hide in Hong Kong, it's hard to project.
745
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:31,720
So if you just look at numbers, it's hard to tell, but it's, I'm lucky that a lot of my friends who
746
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:35,880
compete in the World Cups from Hong Kong are right next to me all the time.
747
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,360
And just from climbing with them regularly, I can sort of gauge my level.
748
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:44,600
Yeah.
749
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,720
So I'm lucky in that sense, but no, I'm not where I want to be, but it might be possible.
750
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:58,840
Are you doing any sort of, I guess like mindset work to help deal with the stress in competition?
751
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,640
I haven't done any like specific drills or anything, but just giving it more thought
752
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,720
after comp was very important to me.
753
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:16,920
So even the process of making that video was, just to put it out there was a big thing for me.
754
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:23,160
Because you don't see a lot of videos where, you know, people fail at the end.
755
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:29,800
The perfect story would be, I messed up, I tried hard, and then two years later, you know,
756
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,880
I went, that would be the perfect story, right?
757
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:41,880
But I think I decided to put that video out there just because I don't think that was the end of story.
758
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,120
Like, of course it would take me some time to figure out.
759
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:49,720
As I've said, I have some doubts about where I'm going, how I'm going to go about my dream.
760
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:56,040
But I think it's part of the process and everything I did.
761
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,160
Like, I just want to put it out there to see.
762
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,560
Um, I would like it to be the perfect story, but it was part of the process.
763
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,320
It was what I went through.
764
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,520
It was like an experience I had, which I really enjoy.
765
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:17,960
Like, if you look at the whole experience, I really enjoy putting my heart into climbing, like 100%.
766
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,480
I had very little distractions.
767
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:27,240
I did have work, but it was like really lower my working hours, just so I'm focused on comp.
768
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:29,240
Made my parents a bit stressed, but um.
769
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,760
But yeah, my parents were kind enough for me to, you know, I told them,
770
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,640
just give me a few months.
771
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,000
Just really want to go for this, see what I can get.
772
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,880
Um, they're nice enough to let me do that.
773
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,320
As long as I can support myself to do fine with it.
774
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,280
So yeah, just enjoy my own climbing for now.
775
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,340
We'll see.
776
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,840
Yeah, you definitely seem to do a lot of reflection after the fact.
777
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:06,760
Um, I think one question that you had asked was why do you climb?
778
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,240
Um, do you have an answer for that?
779
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:17,160
I think when I set up my goal of getting the team, I did think about that.
780
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,800
I think I had a specific goal, right?
781
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,280
Just like get on the team, go to the World Cup, dominate.
782
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:22,780
Wow.
783
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,160
But I didn't fully understand why.
784
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:28,920
I don't think I even thought about it.
785
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:34,680
And what you're looking at, let's say right up, we're recording this right
786
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:35,720
after World Championships, right?
787
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,080
After the first round of Olympic qualifiers.
788
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:47,000
And most things you read on the athletes Instagram post for everyone who has failed
789
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,680
or even people who have succeeded.
790
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,320
It's not about how strong they think they are.
791
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,640
It's not about how much I'm pulling on my void or plums.
792
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:00,920
It's all about the mindset and how they're dealing with the pressure.
793
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:07,880
And I think knowing why you climb is a very important thing.
794
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,240
And why compete, right?
795
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:12,440
Like I can, a lot of people just enjoy climbing, right?
796
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,520
Just if you go outdoors, you can still have fun with friends.
797
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,080
You can still try hard.
798
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,280
You can still put a hundred percent to your climbing with no time pressure.
799
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:30,120
To me, why I climb was because climbing so diverse and you need to be so
800
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,720
skillful in so many things.
801
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:36,680
And I find that to be fascinating to be a messed up every style.
802
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:41,240
I find that to be like so insanely fine.
803
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,240
You got to be so adaptable.
804
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:44,440
You got to think so fast.
805
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:51,000
And to me, the one I wanted after reflection was hanging with other
806
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,280
people who are just as crazy.
807
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:59,400
And to me, the best way off that was going to a comp as a comp climber.
808
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,160
They had me all my idols.
809
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:06,040
I can meet all these other crazy people who are absolutely nuts about climbing.
810
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:13,080
To me, comp climbing, it's, it's like, it's like, it's like,
811
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:17,160
it's like climbing, it's, you got to be the most well-rounded climber.
812
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,760
And to do that, you got to do a lot of thinking as well.
813
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:27,480
And to talk to other people who have given, I'm not sure about this, but I'm
814
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,640
pretty sure most people at the top think about their own climbing a lot.
815
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:32,760
Right?
816
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,520
After the training, they're not just, you know, forgetting about everything
817
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:37,960
and do other stuff.
818
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:39,400
They're still thinking about climbing.
819
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,880
Even when they sleep, they're dreaming about climbing.
820
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,240
And to me, I want to hang with people like that.
821
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:54,600
I want to experience climbing alongside them, with them, or just experience
822
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:55,800
different aspects of climbing.
823
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,520
And I think being a pro climber allows you to try a lot of new stuff within
824
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,320
climbing.
825
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,560
There are a lot of opportunities you can have.
826
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,320
That's why I wanted to be one.
827
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,320
So yeah, I think understanding why you climb is extremely important.
828
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:17,160
Because knowing what you want makes it a lot easier to approach your goal.
829
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:24,920
And when the end goal for me was to have fun, enjoy it, it changes the
830
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,400
dynamic of my sessions or the mindset.
831
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:33,080
When the mindset is like, have fun at the end, like I'm in this so I can have
832
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,880
fun and, you know, talk to people I love.
833
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,040
Talk to people who are just as crazy with me, just as crazy about climbing,
834
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,680
ask me.
835
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,040
Then I shouldn't be stressing all the time when I don't climb well.
836
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:46,360
Right?
837
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,880
Even when I'm not climbing well, I was still doing what I love.
838
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:51,560
I'm still climbing.
839
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:52,600
I'm still having fun.
840
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,480
To me, that's the most important part.
841
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:01,240
If you're not enjoying it anymore, I don't really see the point.
842
00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:04,840
Of course, you can't be all happy every single day when you go into climbing,
843
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,160
but at least trying to be is quite important to me.
844
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,600
Or at least there's something I should strive for.
845
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,760
Just enjoying climbing and enjoy the company.
846
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:19,080
That was a really good way of putting it.
847
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,680
I wish we could end on that note, but I have a couple of discord questions.
848
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:26,920
Sure, let's go for it.
849
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,420
Yeah.
850
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:34,120
The first one, are there areas where you feel like your lack of experience
851
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:40,840
climbing in terms of just number of years, is I guess your lack of experience
852
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,560
shows up more compared to climbers who have been climbing since they were kids.
853
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:46,840
Do you notice a difference there?
854
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,160
Yeah, definitely.
855
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:54,360
In terms of thinking about beta, if you're talking specifics, it's the biggest thing.
856
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,080
When I'm in a comp or just a normal climbing setting in the gym,
857
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,560
let's say we have a hard problem with our projecting,
858
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,960
I might think of one or two ways to do it.
859
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:09,960
If you give me time, I think of three, but those ideas and betas and ways
860
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,440
of doing climb come instantly to my friends.
861
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:18,040
Of course, they've been climbing for ages, but that's the most noticeable difference
862
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:24,600
to me that they can figure out climbs really quickly and that relates to
863
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,920
repeat hard moves once they have done them.
864
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:28,680
It's crazy.
865
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,600
Once they figure out their body positions, they know exactly what their body's doing.
866
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,320
If I do a move first try, I think sometimes it's a lot.
867
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:43,720
Like maybe I study a lot about climbing and like really analyze my own movements,
868
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,520
but I still struggle with knowing exactly what my body's doing,
869
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,880
being very intentional with where I'm placing my hips, my foot,
870
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,800
how much momentum I'm going, all the small details.
871
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:06,440
It's what separates me from the top or separates normal climbers from the top.
872
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,320
You don't notice these things.
873
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:14,840
I think if you just look at videos, I pose and a lot of videos, I'll have a few pose.
874
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,480
It's hard to tell the difference I even find.
875
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,440
Like you're just jumping around the same climb, so what is the difference?
876
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:29,320
But it's what's going on in the mind that is the biggest separation to me.
877
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:35,560
Do you think that in 10 years you'll have that kind of experience
878
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,560
and that won't be an issue for you anymore?
879
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,480
Hopefully.
880
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,880
Hopefully I'll be, if I'm intentional with my climbing,
881
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,360
you know, for the next 10 years, I hope I'll be at a really good level that I'm happy with.
882
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:49,480
Don't know.
883
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:50,620
Okay.
884
00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:52,620
Other question.
885
00:58:53,740 --> 00:58:55,740
You might've answered this a little bit.
886
00:58:56,780 --> 00:59:01,580
How did you have the time and money to make your training happen?
887
00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:06,780
Was that just because you were like done with school
888
00:59:06,780 --> 00:59:09,900
and you had like some money from coaching?
889
00:59:10,940 --> 00:59:16,460
So I've been saving up like all the time, I guess, when I had a save up.
890
00:59:16,460 --> 00:59:23,580
I wasn't spending too much really, and I'm still staying with my parents.
891
00:59:24,140 --> 00:59:27,580
So all the spending I had was for gyms, equipment and stuff.
892
00:59:27,580 --> 00:59:33,900
And that's my own coaching as a part-time job, like covers most of that.
893
00:59:34,460 --> 00:59:37,900
And yeah, so that wasn't really a problem.
894
00:59:39,020 --> 00:59:41,260
So nowadays, what's your plan?
895
00:59:43,340 --> 00:59:45,900
At the moment, I'm doing more coaching.
896
00:59:45,900 --> 00:59:50,700
It's like I'm taking it more, I just like full-time doing online consultations as well.
897
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:55,580
I'm starting to do some, a lot more face-to-face one-on-one coaching stuff.
898
00:59:55,580 --> 00:59:59,900
Because that's why I enjoy the most, like really helping someone to like
899
00:59:59,900 --> 01:00:03,260
get better at climbing or whatever their goal is, right?
900
01:00:03,260 --> 01:00:06,620
Some people that have very specific goal of some clients who are like
901
01:00:06,620 --> 01:00:07,980
trying to get on the team as well.
902
01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:13,100
They want to compete at a high level and I try my best to, you know,
903
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:20,540
help them learn from my mistakes and tell them things that I think works
904
01:00:20,540 --> 01:00:22,460
or will be most beneficial.
905
01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:24,700
Of course, it requires them to think for themselves as well.
906
01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:32,540
Or there are a lot of clients who just want to enjoy climbing at a high level.
907
01:00:32,540 --> 01:00:37,660
But like to me, it's important to ask them why as well.
908
01:00:37,660 --> 01:00:41,580
Like I don't want to just climb with someone who doesn't really care and, you know,
909
01:00:41,580 --> 01:00:44,300
just want to get better as you climb higher grade.
910
01:00:45,340 --> 01:00:49,500
The point of getting better to me, if you don't have a specific goal
911
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:52,780
and you still want to get better, you got to understand why.
912
01:00:52,780 --> 01:00:56,380
And to me, to get better means you can explore more.
913
01:00:57,340 --> 01:01:01,580
When we think of higher grades, it's not just because you can take up a high number on Instagram.
914
01:01:01,580 --> 01:01:06,300
It's because the moves are, they get way cooler, right?
915
01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:09,820
By being stronger, you can experience more stuff
916
01:01:09,820 --> 01:01:12,540
and doing more fancy moves, be more creative.
917
01:01:12,540 --> 01:01:16,860
And the crazy things on your mind that you think you could do,
918
01:01:16,860 --> 01:01:19,580
your body will be able to handle them.
919
01:01:19,580 --> 01:01:21,420
And that's a great feeling, I think.
920
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:27,340
And like making my clients realize that it's like quite important to me.
921
01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:30,220
So yeah, I do a lot of coaching.
922
01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:31,100
I really enjoy it.
923
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:33,420
Teaching kids is super fun.
924
01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:34,460
They progress so fast.
925
01:01:34,460 --> 01:01:35,660
They learn so quick.
926
01:01:35,660 --> 01:01:38,940
And like kids are like so simple minded.
927
01:01:38,940 --> 01:01:40,300
They just want to get better.
928
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:42,060
So they don't rest.
929
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:45,980
They just got to yank them off the wall to tell them to stop.
930
01:01:45,980 --> 01:01:47,900
They just want to keep going, keep going, keep trying.
931
01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:51,580
And I find it so fun and helping them get better
932
01:01:51,580 --> 01:01:56,940
and like seeing the size of the face when they really feel their own progression is amazing.
933
01:01:57,500 --> 01:02:00,540
Especially since they start like really at nothing level.
934
01:02:00,540 --> 01:02:04,380
Although I love kids, kids I coach are they start from nothing.
935
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:05,980
They don't have any sports background.
936
01:02:05,980 --> 01:02:07,180
Also, they're really young.
937
01:02:07,180 --> 01:02:17,260
But making my goal is just have my kids to be scaring all the other climbers at the gym.
938
01:02:17,260 --> 01:02:19,020
Like, oh, what are they doing?
939
01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:20,780
How are they climbing on projects?
940
01:02:20,780 --> 01:02:21,420
That's my dream.
941
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:22,300
I love kids.
942
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:25,100
That I think is really fun with it and setting.
943
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:27,580
But yeah, I love my coaching stuff.
944
01:02:27,580 --> 01:02:28,860
And it's really enjoyable.
945
01:02:28,860 --> 01:02:30,780
So at the moment, I keep coaching.
946
01:02:31,340 --> 01:02:33,260
I'm really enjoying the YouTube as well.
947
01:02:33,260 --> 01:02:35,660
But that's just so fun at the moment.
948
01:02:35,660 --> 01:02:40,780
Do you want to keep doing something in the climbing space for the rest of your life?
949
01:02:40,780 --> 01:02:42,860
You think that's your calling?
950
01:02:42,860 --> 01:02:43,660
I think so.
951
01:02:43,660 --> 01:02:46,220
I think I've had passion in the past.
952
01:02:46,220 --> 01:02:51,100
I've surfed, I've skated, but I've never been quite as crazy.
953
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:55,420
And I don't think I've, I was passionate about that sport for so long.
954
01:02:55,980 --> 01:02:57,980
It's been four years since I started climbing.
955
01:02:58,860 --> 01:03:02,460
I think I'm just as crazy, if not more about climbing than ever.
956
01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:05,500
So I don't see this passion going away anytime soon.
957
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:11,260
And if it does, there's so much more like about climbing that I haven't tried yet.
958
01:03:11,260 --> 01:03:14,220
Like one day I'll really like to try big wall climbing.
959
01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:19,740
I haven't really put my time into the climbing, just like two massive aspect of climbing.
960
01:03:19,740 --> 01:03:21,100
I haven't even explored yet.
961
01:03:21,980 --> 01:03:26,780
Like going, doing more outdoor trips, going to expeditions one day.
962
01:03:27,420 --> 01:03:31,980
I don't know, but even just within this more bordering, calm,
963
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:34,620
climbing space I'm in, I'm having so much fun.
964
01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:41,340
I don't see this passion going away anytime soon, especially with so many more aspects
965
01:03:41,340 --> 01:03:46,060
of climbing that have been left unexplored.
966
01:03:49,180 --> 01:03:49,660
Yeah.
967
01:03:49,660 --> 01:03:50,460
Awesome.
968
01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:53,420
Well, I think that is everything I wanted to cover.
969
01:03:53,420 --> 01:03:55,500
Thanks for joining me today.
970
01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:59,180
Would you like to let everyone know where they can find you?
971
01:03:59,180 --> 01:04:02,380
If they want to follow the rest of your journey and support you?
972
01:04:03,820 --> 01:04:09,020
If you just look up Jonathan Sen on Instagram, you'll probably find me,
973
01:04:09,020 --> 01:04:10,780
the kid with the white hair icon.
974
01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:12,780
It's quite easy to tell, I think.
975
01:04:12,780 --> 01:04:19,020
I'm also on YouTube where I document my process and the amazing people I meet.
976
01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:24,060
And I have a trip about Japan that I documented.
977
01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:25,580
I had a lot of cool experiences there.
978
01:04:25,580 --> 01:04:28,140
I'm doing a series on all things Japanese climbing.
979
01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:29,420
It'd be cool to check that out.
980
01:04:29,420 --> 01:04:34,540
I think that's something that's not really common in the climbing space,
981
01:04:34,540 --> 01:04:39,580
just understanding Japanese climbing and why they're so good, the culture behind it.
982
01:04:39,580 --> 01:04:46,060
It's just a bit of space that's unexplored and I want to fill that gap and tell some cool stories.
983
01:04:46,700 --> 01:04:49,100
So yeah, I'm on YouTube, I'm on Instagram.
984
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:50,860
Let me know what you think.
985
01:04:51,980 --> 01:04:53,020
Okay, awesome.
986
01:04:53,020 --> 01:04:54,220
Well, thank you again.
987
01:04:54,220 --> 01:04:56,860
It was amazing to talk to you and good luck.
988
01:04:56,860 --> 01:05:00,540
And your competition endeavors were rooting for you.
989
01:05:00,540 --> 01:05:01,180
Thank you for your time.
990
01:05:01,180 --> 01:05:04,460
Thank you so much for making it to the end of the podcast.
991
01:05:04,460 --> 01:05:10,460
If you're watching on YouTube, I would love to hear your discussion and thoughts in the comments below.
992
01:05:10,460 --> 01:05:13,820
And don't forget to like and subscribe if you enjoyed.
993
01:05:13,820 --> 01:05:19,660
If you're listening through a podcasting platform, I'd appreciate if you rated it five stars
994
01:05:19,660 --> 01:05:25,900
and you can continue the discussion through my competition climbing Discord server linked in the description.
995
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:33,500
Thanks again for listening.

Jinni Xia

3: Jonathan Sin, Aspiring Pro Climber

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